You know what poker???

[Talking Poker]

You can kiss my ass. You can kiss my ass and DIE!!!

I was having a nice session for a change today... I was 6 tabling, feeling good, playing good, and I was pretty much in charge of at least 5 of the 6 tables. Not only that, but I was getting some decent hands too. Through 375 total hands, I had AA 3 times and KK 4 times. With cards like this, I had BETTER be able to log a winning session.

I was just about to start sitting out of all my tables when this hand happened:

Full Tilt Poker Game #1420707403: Table El Camino (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:20:28 ET - 2006/12/16
Seat 1: easyone52 ($82)
Seat 2: Kikoulol ($372.30)
Seat 3: Troll Pie ($444)
Seat 4: Flops Like Me ($418.30)
Seat 6: sarmar ($510.70)
Flops Like Me posts the small blind of $2
sarmar posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Troll Pie [Ks Kd]
easyone52 folds
SalMarina stands up
Diller21 sits down
Kikoulol raises to $18
Diller21 adds $80
Troll Pie raises to $60
Flops Like Me folds
sarmar folds
Kikoulol calls $42
*** FLOP *** [9h 8d Ts]
Kikoulol checks
Troll Pie bets $126
Kikoulol raises to $312
Troll Pie raises to $384, and is all in <-- this was a 30 cent raise
Kikoulol calls $0.30, and is all in
Troll Pie shows [Ks Kd]
Kikoulol shows [Qc Qs]
Uncalled bet of $71.70 returned to Troll Pie
*** TURN *** [9h 8d Ts] [Js]
I would have laid even money that a Jack was going to hit the turn.... not a Jack or Queen on the turn or river mind you, but EXACTLY a Jack on EXACTLY the turn. You see, because this would give me redraw outs, but we all know that's not going to happen.
*** RIVER *** [9h 8d Ts Js] [Ad]
Troll Pie shows a pair of Kings
Kikoulol shows a straight, Queen high
Kikoulol wins the pot ($747.60) with a straight, Queen high
So long, $747.60!!!
Troll Pie adds $328.30
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $750.60 | Rake $3
Board: [9h 8d Ts Js Ad]
Seat 1: easyone52 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Kikoulol showed [Qc Qs] and won ($747.60) with a straight, Queen high
Seat 3: Troll Pie (button) showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: Flops Like Me (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: sarmar (big blind) folded before the Flop


Fun fun. Two hands later, against the same exact same donkey opponent, this happened:


Full Tilt Poker Game #1420717731: Table El Camino (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:22:22 ET - 2006/12/16
Seat 1: easyone52 ($78)
Seat 2: Kikoulol ($747.60)
Seat 3: Troll Pie ($400)
Seat 4: Flops Like Me ($416.30)
Seat 5: Diller21 ($80)
Seat 6: sarmar ($510.30)
easyone52 posts the small blind of $2
Kikoulol posts the big blind of $4
Diller21 posts $4
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Troll Pie [Jd Js]
Troll Pie raises to $18
Flops Like Me folds
Diller21 folds
sarmar folds
easyone52 calls $16
Kikoulol calls $14
*** FLOP *** [5h Qc 8h]
easyone52 checks
Kikoulol checks
Troll Pie bets $36
easyone52 folds
Kikoulol calls $36
*** TURN *** [5h Qc 8h] [9h]
Kikoulol checks
Troll Pie checks
*** RIVER *** [5h Qc 8h 9h] [Td]
Now, please note the river card here. You see, this is very obviously one of exactly 3 cards that could come that was designed to make me go broke.
Kikoulol bets $80
Fortunately for me, I saw througg their little plan and decided to save myself $266:
Troll Pie calls $80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kikoulol shows [Ah 6h] (a flush, Ace high)
Troll Pie mucks
Kikoulol wins the pot ($287) with a flush, Ace high
Troll Pie adds $134
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $290 | Rake $3
Board: [5h Qc 8h 9h Td]
Seat 1: easyone52 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Kikoulol (big blind) showed [Ah 6h] and won ($287) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: Troll Pie mucked [Jd Js] - a straight, Queen high
Seat 4: Flops Like Me didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Diller21 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: sarmar (button) didn't bet (folded)

Speaking of things that can kiss my ass, this graph can kiss my ass too... God forbid that first large drop off go TWICE AS HIGH in the opposite direction if my hand held up there, right? Bastards.

[bunny]

Somebody need a hug?

I could surely use one.

I know it's not the same and yours is so much worse, but I just lost $55 playing 5 Draw Poker.

I too hate poker, now.






merde........

[Talking Poker]

Mmmmmm, bunny hug.

Sure, sign me up.

[Zybomb]

Sucks (clearly rigged ) but you can't fault opponent for his play

[Talking Poker]

Not on these two hands, no.

[Penguinfan]

I am CERTAIN someone will tell me where I went wrong, but in the first game I have played in three weeks this reminded me why I was gonna quit in the first place.

I think once I burn through my rakeback payment for last month I am gonna retire, honestly.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1421196200: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (10110004), Table 3 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:48:18 ET - 2006/12/16
Seat 1: tosh32 (5,055)
Seat 2: Cap_Scarlet (2,930)
Seat 3: CesarDevo (7,300)
Seat 5: eklipzed00d (4,180)
Seat 6: Penguinfan (3,935)
Seat 7: sneaky betty (10,780)
Seat 8: BuddyWest (9,255)
Seat 9: ALL IN A-HOLE (3,560)
eklipzed00d posts the small blind of 60
Penguinfan posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Penguinfan [As Ah]
sneaky betty folds
BuddyWest folds
ALL IN A-HOLE folds
tosh32 folds
Cap_Scarlet folds
CesarDevo folds
eklipzed00d raises to 400 <------Obvious steal
Penguinfan raises to 680
eklipzed00d calls 280 Odds be fucked, he had 2-7, you just can't call here
*** FLOP *** [Jh Qh 3h] I still have outs, but they ain't in the deck
eklipzed00d bets 600
Penguinfan raises to 3,255, and is all in
eklipzed00d calls 2,655
Penguinfan shows [As Ah]
eklipzed00d shows [2h 7h]
*** TURN *** [Jh Qh 3h] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Qh 3h 4c] [6s]
Penguinfan shows a pair of Aces
eklipzed00d shows a flush, Queen high
eklipzed00d wins the pot (7,870) with a flush, Queen high
ALL IN A-HOLE: lol
Penguinfan stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,870 | Rake 0
Board: [Jh Qh 3h 4c 6s]
Seat 1: tosh32 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Cap_Scarlet didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: CesarDevo (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: eklipzed00d (small blind) showed [2h 7h] and won (7,870) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 6: Penguinfan (big blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: sneaky betty didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: BuddyWest didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: ALL IN A-HOLE didn't bet (folded)

Poker has finally, once and for all, broken my spirit, GG

[Zybomb]

Never min reraise preflop

[Penguinfan]

I knew there would be at least one!

You don't think I WANT action in this spot and hope he catches a piece of it?

[Zybomb]

He wins 3255 each time he outflops you (say 1 out of 8) bc you wont get off Aces

He loses 280 each time he does not because he check folds (7 out of 8)

280 x 7 = 1960 which is signifcantly less than 3255

Opponent would be a fool to fold any two cards and your raise was incorrect

[Boobie Lover]

If you are going to slowplay, just smooth call. Min raising is retarded in this spot since it gives up the strength of your hand (since I find it unlikely that you are min reraising often) while also not pricing out anything.

[Penguinfan]

Actually, in this EXACT spot people will think the min re-raise is a re-steal and many times come back over the top all-in. He could have done that, it would have been better (not knowing my hand) for him to do that than simply call with 2-7.

Could also be argued that stealing with 2-7 that early in a tournament is foolish.

Play of the hands aside, this was in fact a horrible beat, I had AA and he had no business in the hand, that would be the definition of a bad beat.

You would think on the forum that there was no such thing as a bad beat however, raguardless of the play of the hands someone will blame your play.

[Robbr25]

you have to reraise more, IMO also

[Boobie Lover]

Sarcasm?

[Talking Poker]

Sounds to me like you got exactly what you wanted then, right?

Yes, you were way ahead preflop, but you wanted him to come along and he did. If he outflops you, that's the price you pay for all but begging him to.

I've gone over this with bdawg like 100 times. If you WANT 72s to call your baby raise preflop when you have AA, and he DOES, then you got exactly what you wanted and lose all rights to complain when you then decided to give him the rest of your stack for some reason.

[Talking Poker]

Actually, I disagree. He was a pretty big favorite when the money went in. Had you sucked out, then he could say it was a bad beat, yes, but the best hand (by a lot) holding up is certainly not the definition of a bad beat.

Call it a bad flop for you, sure, but there was no bad beat here. You put all your money in as a big dog. Tough beat, sure... but not a bad beat.

[eejit101]

fuck it i quit this game.

1st - sunday $215 warm up on stars. Out first hand to some river donk with 88. all in with over pair to the board, i had him nailed. fucker.

2nd - 14 x rebuy sattys to the mil. i counted this after losing 5 in a row, lost 56 races, won 5. cashed 0 times for a seat. got knocked out of 8/14 with the best hand preflop, other 6 were a race.

3rd - $100 buyin on FT satty. 18 enter, 4 paid, i lose in 5th with AA vs A6.

4th - $150 SnG satty to the $500k on FT. i lose with Aks vs A7s after i hit a king he runner runners a flush. that was after ebing a 3-1 table leader after knocking out 2 guys early.

5th - $2/$4 NL. down 3 buyins, 1 with AA vs KQs (wtf). 1 with KK vs AA vs QQ (i had KK , QQ won). 1 with 2 pair on flop all in vs flush draw and new top pair on turn, he riveres trips.

6th - $150 buyin tourney. lost with AKs vs AK os. he 4 flushed.



gg poker

[JDMcNugent7]

Like Boobie said, sarcasm?

I mean seriously, this shows pretty much no understanding of poker.

And this is why u think ur the unluckiest person ever. No one else thinks this is a bad beat at all. You played this hand extremely weak and bad.

I can't beleive you think it's a bad beat when you get 680 of your stack in when your ahead, and 3,225 in when you are WAY behind.

[Penguinfan]

And how many of you get off AA in that spot, EVER?


All I can wish for is that you all catch a run of luck like myself and Bdawg have had.


Perhaps, maybe then, you would understand.

Otherwise, plz ban me.

[aixelsyD tA loL]

People that can't beat low limit games and blame luck are just really, really bad at poker not unlucky. This hand exemplifies this horrible play.

[Talking Poker]

I hate to say it, because I'm not trying to be mean, but I 100% agree.

Look at the winning players' responses in this thread. We all understand that (I'll quote JD) this:
is a bad play, not a bad beat:

The fact that he played 72s against you (after you all but begged him to) and outflopped you is irrelevant. The fact that 90% of the people here would have gone broke on this flop just like you is also irrelevant. What is relevant is that you put yourself in this situation in the first place. You claim to have WANTED him to call, but then when he outflops you and you can't get off the hand, you complain. I don't get this at all. You got what you wanted (or at least what you said you wanted when you were defending your donkey min raise). "Beats" like this are going to happen when you play badly enough to set yourself up for them. You'll be a much better player when you learn and accept that.

[Talking Poker]

The thing you need to remember is that the good players reading this wouldn't have gotten themselves in that spot... EVER.

[Zybomb]

Precisely the reason that opponent would be wrong to fold any two cards to your reraise. In the longrun he wins 3255 1 out of 8 times and loses 280 7 out of 8 times for a net profit of 3255 - 1960 = 1295 chips.

Yes , in the longrun opponent wins 1295 chips and you lose 1295 chips

No I wouldn't have gotten off aces in this spot, but like TP already said, I would have never been in this spot because when I reraised I would have bumped it up to 1200. If he calls and outflops me, he gets the rest of my stack in all likelihood, but at least Im making him make a mistake, rather than making the mistake myself

[ChipFish]

Well said.

[Talking Poker]

I agree with the logic behind this, of course, but my question is where are you coming up with the 1 in 8 flops thing?

Do you really think that 72s flops 2 pair or better 1 in 8 times? It can't flop a straight and any "draw" that it flops, I wouldn't consider outflopping AA, with the possible exception being an open ended straight draw around the 7 (456, 568, 689, 89T) WITH two hearts, but even then, it's not exactly a big favorite.

[Zybomb]

72s vs AA , the 72s is approx a 16% or 17% favorite preflop (depending if one of the aces is the same suit as the 72s), which means roughly 1 out of every 6 times the 72 will win. That is with all 5 cards out however, so reduced to account for the times it outflops AA, it'd probably be closer to 1 in 9 rather than 1 in 8 (that would be some low cards with straight possibilities also)... regardless it doesnt matter. 72 could win as little as 1 in every 12 times and still come out ahead and make the preflop call +EV