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12-18-06, 02:07 AM
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Well, duh.
But there is also nothing wrong with raising with it from the button after an UTG limper with deep stacks, depending on your image at the table, the flow of the game, and so on, IMO. In fact, I'll say that I raise with this here more than 50% of the time, so if you think this is a 100% fold 100% of the time, well, we will have to agree to disagree. |
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12-18-06, 02:09 AM
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Also, I would like to point out how unlike where all the money went in when hero was well behind, I was just about as far ahead as one can get when the money went in here. So yeah, this was a bad beat.
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12-18-06, 02:23 AM
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Making a point about what constitutes a bad beat. Nothing personal against Penguin at all.
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12-18-06, 10:28 AM
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We have to let each other bitch and moan in this section. Its the bad beat section. Not the HSIHPT section right. Of course a little conversation is fine too. But there is never any absolute stone cold RIGHT answer to anything in poker. Maybe Penguin shouldnt have min raised pf with AA. Maybe TP shouldnt play 89o so strong. Who cares really (unless they are asking). The point is TP got the vast majority of the $ in as a massive favorite. Not as glaring, but still significant, is that Penguin got involved in a pot with AA against 7 friggin high. Of course Penguin got most of the money in behind, but he didnt know that for sure, and still had outs to the nuts on 2 streets.
I know I have this conversation with myself alot. It sounds alot like the banter in these two threads. "Damnit, decent sized pot and the guy pairs his shit kicker on the river, sonofa..." "Well you did limp with AT" "Ya so" "You probably would get A4 to fold with a raise pf" "Well maybe, but some donkeys will cold call with that anyway, esp. at $10NL" "Still should have raised there" "YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT, I GOT A DONKEY TO CALL DOWN TO THE RIVER WITH TOP PAIR AND A FRIGGIN 4 FOR A KICKER, AND HE HIT A DAMN 3 OUTER ON ME" Yes, I actually have the conversation with myself. Am I distrubed? My major point is that there is more than one way to skin a fish. And when you get him to overplay a crappy hand and he outdraws you, it just plain sucks. No matter how you got there to begin with. Example: Negreanu slow played AA in the most recent big tourney he played. The guy was raising with something like K6o, and flopped 2 pr. DN got killed for this play mostly (on his own forum even), although he eloquently explained his reasoning, and some people agreed with the play. Just 2 days ago, he played a hand with AA almost the same way, and doubled thru (or busted) a donkey overplaying AQo. I guess I dont think WE should be so results oriented when we critisize someone who lost a pot and played it differently than we would. just my humble 
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12-19-06, 12:09 AM
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Button raise with 98o is fine.
All play by you is perfect. When the money went in he had more than one out if you consider runner, runner.(4 of a kind or a 3 and pair the board for fh) Yes on the turn he did have only one out and got lucky. Who knows why he would put all his money in with three overs on the board and you pushing preflop and on the flop. Even if he puts you on AK he is still not that much of a favorite, cause odds are one of them would be diamonds (based on the play). He is just an idiot. If he pushed, maybe he is ok. But calling an all in in his position is definitely -EV.
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