Brians Downfall (i knew it would happen)

BrianSwa · #1 12-16-04, 11:33 PM

no im not a moron I know the difference between stack and bankroll, I just wasnt thinking about the slope in the long run just at the present time. Looking at my hand histories I dont want or need if you listened to the last couple posts thats not where i fucked up but playing above my roll. I stopped running Q-9 and Q-8 and stuff out of position so I do know that but I do appritiate your offer chip.

ChipFish · #2 12-16-04, 11:53 PM

I am willing to bet you've got quite a few leaks in your game that need to be plugged up before moving up limits....

I'm not saying this to be mean.... I am saying this to help you out.

If you really think you are a winner, then by all means go for it!
And good luck! (I'll even come cheer you on in a sit-n-go

)
If you keep losing and think you are playing strong poker, then maybe you have more to learn.... (Everyone always has something to learn, no shame in that)

Good luck either way.

BrianSwa · #3 12-16-04, 11:56 PM

tell you what im going to start playing .10/.20 with my $15.00 left and get a good couple hands in playing my best. Then ill mail you my hand histories and let you take a look if you can find any holes which im sure I have, and you can plug them by all means I welcome the advice. Again thanks alot chip and to everyone that had input in this thread

Gutzz · #4 12-17-04, 01:05 AM

Well this's indeed good news. I couldn't understand why you initially turned down chips help/tips/advice. If he offered it to me, I'd cream.

Cheers,

Gutzz

BrianSwa · #5 12-17-04, 01:10 AM

thats good just as long as you dont cream near me, yea ill take chip's advice happily guess just didnt want to think I was doing anything wrong. The amount of books ive read and charts and graphs ive studied guess I was to proud to accept any advice. BUT im over that now so yes id gladley take it just give me a week or so to log the hands then ill mail them to you. You can mail someone through this site am I correct?

Gutzz · #6 12-17-04, 01:54 AM

I promise nothing!

Gutzz

drewjax · #7 12-17-04, 01:56 AM

One book that I'm sure most of you have read, and if not you should, is "Internet Texas Hold'em". The book is good overall, although can be a slow read at times. Anyway, the author talks about this in detail. He is very conservative in regards to bankroll, and when to move up. Although I havent followed the advise to the letter of the law it is still good advise. My amended strategy/advise is this. You of course must buy in for enough at a table at any given time. I posted a thread awhile back asking exactly this, but I knew what my thoughts were. TP, among others, agreed that you should probably buy in for a set amount. I usually buy in for 50 times the big bet (I also posted a thread about BB; is it big bet or big blind?). Anyway, I just moved up to 1/2, and I buy in always for $100. This is standard of course and it doesnt matter as long as you are somewhat in the ballpark. The real major factor is how much of your total bankroll is your buy in stack!! This is crucial. I always, always must have at least 3x my normal buy in in my total bankroll. It is easy to lose a buy in stack in one sitting. I think we all know that now. In my mind, hey you may lose one of your stacks. You can still continue at that level, next day or whatever. If you are getting down to being close to losing the second stack (or middle third of your entire bankroll if you like), then its time to get the F out and move back down a level. I just looked at the book and it suggests that to move up to 3/6 you should have $1800 in your bankroll!! Of course that may be a bit too much, but to never risk going broke?? I think this strategy doesnt make you wait too long to move up, but gives you outs as we all like to say (Mike McD. lol). The point that most people were making was very valid. Take is slow brother!!
GL

Aequitas58 · #8 12-17-04, 02:16 AM

You buy into a $1/2 (Limit?) game w/ $100. Your bankroll is usually 3xbuyin, so 3x$100=$300.

Wow. $300 to play $1/2? Amazing.

You say: "It's easy to lose a buyin stack at one sitting."

Look. If you lose $100 playing $1/2 at one sitting, quit poker.

BrianSwa · #9 12-17-04, 02:35 AM

how come is it lou that everyone has something constructive to say then you come in with your like 1-3 liner insults. Im starting to think jackass man might be onto something when he posts about you, I respect you as a poker player but your attitude needs some major adjustment. But hey we are talking to the great and powerful Lou who would never lose a whole stack in a sitting right?

Aequitas58 · #10 12-17-04, 02:58 AM

Retard.

I wasn't even replying to you. I was talking about someone else's buyin requirement for a $1/2 LHE game. $100 is excessive. By those requirements, he buys into a $2/4 game w/ $200. What? If you bought into a $2/4 game w/ $200 at the casino, you would be laughed at.

If you're an overly-aggressive player, then you'll need alot of ammo. But you're not that player. Shit, you don't raise pre-flop!

And I will CONTINUE to support the notion that if you lose $100 at a $1/2 game, you REALLY need to reevaluate what the hell you're doing so wrong. I fully understand downswings, but c'mon: 50BB in one sitting... at LIMIT? LOL. Sometimes you just gotta tell yourself, "Take up chess."

The reason I didn't reply to this thread is because you seem surprised you lost. "Oh i lost all my money i dont understand it (i knew it would happen) these players suck, they hit all their draws."

Yet...again, you don't like to pre-flop raise. What do you expect to happen when you play the wrong way?

I also find it funny that you want to deposit - what was it - $300? And play $2/4 or $3/6. Good luck, buddy. Can't wait for those bad beat stories.

And finally, don't get snippy w/ me. I've eased up a bit on pointing out the stupidity of your posts. You still can't spell, use correct grammar, or understand anything about sentence structure. Maybe you should be a poker dealer.

BlibbityBlabbity · #11 12-17-04, 02:51 AM

In this (bankroll, BB/hour, etc) context BB is a Big Bet. At a $1/$2 table the Big Bet is $2.

300x BB (Big Bet) in a $1/$2 game = $600 (or 6 buyins). That seems to be standard. Again, this is highly dependent on whether you have more money somewhere if you run out.

I would not say it is EASY to loose a buyin at $1/$2 but it is possible. Depends on the site (quality of players, table selection possibilities, etc). I don't think waiting till you are down half your bankroll is a good idea. Before you are out that first $100 you should have a pretty good idea if you are being outplayed, just getting bad cards, or both. I would not suggest buying in again without looking over your hand histories and trying to figure out what you did wrong. You would likely be playing scared not wanting to repeat the loss and even the next day, I would think it hard to play your best game having lost 1/3 your bankroll the day before.