Bdawg31 vs Penguinfan worst luck battle!!!!!

[BrianSwa]

I know you dont want to hear this but I really really dont like how you played this at all. The check-raise on the flop with AQ I really dont like, yea his play was sad but thats besides the point.

Now im not getting into his play at all because it was sad but yours wasnt that great at all. Now I have played before with you and I know you play solid usually but seems like you are playing purley on steam right now which is never good. I mean even if you have him on totally no hand I still wouldnt want to get it all in on a complete bluff, now I dont mind betting the flop with a simple continuation bet but check-raising all in not likey.

what I like doing when im bluffing is try to make it look like I hit something. I mean if you really had a overpair with that flop would you normall check/raise all in? I know I wouldnt so yea your play to me would look like a bluff. I think a better play would of been a continuation bet on flop then slow down unless a "scare" card hit that you could represent.

actully looking over his hand I dont mind the call or his bet on the flop, I mean he had the 2nd highest flush draw and a gutshot, so If he put you on 2 big cards or even a overpair he has 12 outs. If he just has you on 2 big cards without a king he has another 6 outs so discount a couple seeing that the King might be dead he has somewhere aroun 15-16 outs and 2 cards to go. His call preflop was questionable but after that I think he did fine, he bet on flop with a decent draw and when you re-raised all in it was only $500 or so to call.

not to mention he has a 3-1 chip advantage on you before this hand, so he had to call about $600 to win the $2300 now in the pot. I think I would of called the bet. this isnt a bad beat, bad outcome yes but bad beat no.

[Penguinfan]

Traditionally you would need more than King hi to call an all-in bluff though, wouldn't you?

In his spot I would be concerned about an overpair or set and I was trying to push him off a flush draw, thats how I wold have seen it from his spot, but then again if you call 250 with K3, maybe I gave him too much credit to start with.

I am it no way saying I played it text book fashion, and yes I am playing a bit on steam these days, but I was PRETTY sure I was ahead and I was gonna let him bluff at it then re-steal it, as it was, well.......

I honestly think I may be finished at this point, I just withdrew all but $50 from my Full Tilt account to Neteller and don't really have any thoughts about putting it in another account right now.

[BrianSwa]

now im not saying his preflop play was good but you were behind on the flop. All im saying is this is not the way I would of played it and would of checked it through after the turn and most likley he would of also seeing as he didnt hit any of his outs really.

[Zybomb]

The problem is you allowed him to put 1/2 his stack in, so when u push after that it's kinda odd since you expect to be called. Do you have the best hand? you possibly do, otherwise you have 6 outs (overs)

I don't hate your play actually (the idea behind it), but it's not ideal in this situationbc of how large of a bet he made and its obvious that he's committed

On a side note Brian you have to play a bit of level 2 poker, you cant jus look at your own cards otherwise aware opponents will steal a large percent of pots from you simply by playing back. In addition you say you WOULDN'T play an overpair like that -- that is the beauty of playing it that way then isn't it? Switching up your game is very important.

[BrianSwa]

yea I agree that switching up your play is very important but this really does look like a bluff to me. But with that board it is a bad play with AQ plain and simple there are sooo many draws out right now and I dont want to semi/bluff here with AQ, because honestly it is a bluff because you have to put your opponent on total rags that didnt hit to make that play correct?

truth is the guy had a great draw and made a pretty simple call seeing as he had soo much in pot and still had like 2k or so behind if he lost here.

with as many draws out your right I might of pushed with overpair

[BrianSwa]

I just wanted to add here zybomb,


I make plays like this but I pick my spots very carefully. The thing is I have to have a pretty good read on the player and figure he would lay down a hand to me. I mean im not going to make this play against a weak player seeing as I would expect a call but against a strong player im commiting them to pot and hoping they dont hit something.

so lets put it this way.

against you im just continuation betting with my overpair
againt eejit im going all in.

just kidding eejit
actully im not