Turbo SNGs

[JDMcNugent7]

good fuckin analogy. cheap whores.

[johnp158]

Totally beatable.

[BrianSwa]

maybe, but also takes alot of the skill out of the game and adds alot more to the luck factor. When the blinds are going up so much the action is forced alot sooner then it usually is.

I personally dont like them and dont play them for that reason, I concider poker a game of mostly skill with a little luck thrown in there. I personally dont like doing coin flips and with the turbos you are forced to do them way too early, I peronally only like doing them when I have a good chip lead over someone. I dont like putting my tourney life on a 55% flip, but thats just me some like the action of getting all there money in and either hoping the hit or hold.

[johnp158]

Dude. I'm telling you. You have no idea. Turbos can be crushed over the long term. If you learn how to play them and multitable you can do very well. In fact, multi-tabling the small stakes Turbos is a good way to build a roll, provided that you play within the limits of your bankroll.

BTW, it is debatable whether or not Turbo SNGs are really poker.

[BrianSwa]

I never said it wasnt real poker, I said it dosent fit my style of play. I dont doubt there are people that can beat them but how I play they are not beatable for me. I like to mix it up, vary my style throughout the tourney and take advantage of players I concider weak. In a turbo I have no time to do that, how I play I enjoy the 12-15 hour tourneys, that is another reason why I basicly let Chuck play all the sit and go's and I play mostley MTT's.

of course my sucky ass bankroll managment is another reason , I play selective agressive poker and would not have time to figure out my opponents in a turbo, and multi tabling I usually dont do for same reason, I try not to play more then 3 tables at once because want them all up so I can see how everyone plays and take notes so I can use them later in tourney. Maybe I'am being to anal about that but hey thats how I play and its done good for me so far so why change it just so I can multi a turbo?

BUT if it works for someone else hell I dont fault you for playing them and again in no way would I ever say its not poker, unless it was play money that is not real poker


even in normal sit and go's I want it to last more then a hour because by the time we get 3 handed or something I want to have a very good idea how this guy plays and I want him to have no clue how I play.

[johnp158]

editing troubles. The post is below.

[johnp158]

12-15 hours? That's just crazy.

And I wasn't accusing you of saying they're not real poker. I was saying "they're not real poker."

[BrianSwa]

[quote=johnp158][quote=BrianSwa]I never said it wasnt real poker, I said it dosent fit my style of play. I dont doubt there are people that can beat them but how I play they are not beatable for me. I like to mix it up, vary my style throughout the tourney and take advantage of players I concider weak. In a turbo I have no time to do that, how I play I enjoy the 12-15 hour tourneys, that is another reason why I basicly let Chuck play all the sit and go's and I play mostley MTT's.

of course my sucky ass bankroll managment is another reason , I play selective agressive poker and would not have time to figure out my opponents in a turbo, and multi tabling I usually dont do for same reason, I try not to play more then 3 tables at once because want them all up so I can see how everyone plays and take notes so I can use them later in tourney. Maybe I'am being to anal about that but hey thats how I play and its done good for me so far so why change it just so I can multi a turbo?

BUT if it works for someone else hell I dont fault you for playing them and again in no way would I ever say its not poker, unless it was play money that is not real poker...
whops sorry missread the origional post.

yea I cant tell you how much I completley love deepstack tournies and also how I just LOVE limit tournies. Also $3 rebuys are just amazing, becuase for a very little investment you can make alot and play a really really long tourney.

actully not sure If I have played a deepstack one now that I think of it but as for the limit ones yes I have and they are great for my style of play. Getting me kinda excited to play in a deepstack one need a damn day off at work 1st. It is another reason I prefer live tourneys over online ones also, in live you have alot of time to figure out your opponents.

[Talking Poker]

I know you've had a lot of success with these in the past, and would be interested in reading a long, detailed post from you about how you beat them. "If you learn to play them," you say - well, why not teach us? A detailed post would be great, but recording and posting a few videos would be even better. What do you think? You up for it?

[johnp158]

I probably should have phrased it a little differently and said "a lot of people crush them..." Personally, I've played almost zero poker in the last 2 months because I just moved and have a new job and am trying to apply to grad school this fall. Before I moved I was in the process of playing the $27 turbos on Stars and learning how to beat them. In reality I’ve only played about 800 of them, with an ROI of 12-13%. From most things I’ve read, though, you can’t expect to maintain anything much higher than that at the $27 level, although some people do. A 15% ROI definitely doesn’t sound like “crushing,” but if you can maintain that while multitabling you’ll be doing very well.

As far as actually posting a HH or a video, I think I’d like to do that. I may not have any time to do so until next week because I’ll be out of town this weekend, but I’ll see what I can do. I wouldn’t expect it to be “this is how you should play each and every hand because I’m an expert.” More of a “this is my reasoning for doing so-and-so, let’s discuss” kind of thing.

And FWIW, I know Boobie doesn’t really play these anymore, but he probably has a better understanding of this than I do. Especially SNG Power Tools and ICM, which I just haven’t spent enough time with.

[Dodoubled]

I second that video thing. I don't believe I'm horrible at them by any stretch, and I'll even go so far as to attribute much of my recent poor run at them (I've final tabled 5 of the last 7 I've played and managed to finish eighth each time -- top 7 pay), to mostly tough breaks. I also believe turbos more closely resemble live SNGs, at least in terms of the speed of the blind increase.