Cap Games on Full Tilt

Talking Poker · #1 09-08-06, 02:53 PM

I got the email too. My immediate reaction is that these will attract the scared money players. I'm not sure if that will make up for the obvious pitfalls of having the cap though (not being able to stack anyone, not having NEARLY the same amount of ammo you could have in order to push someone off a hand, etc). What I'm more worried about is these games taking the weak players OUT of the normal games, and making those games tougher to beat.

IMO, if they want these to work, the cap should be around the max buy in - 100 BBs. By having it at just 30 BBs, that really changes the way a hand is going to play out on the turn and river.

Question though: Say, in Zy's example, he raised $53 instead of $54 (total of $59). Then he wouldn't be all in, and could lead out at the turn for $59, right? In order for his opponent to "cap" the action, he'd have to make a full raise (another $53 on the flop or $59 on the turn), right? If that's how it works, it's not so bad, but if he's somehow able to raise to $60 straight in either case, then I hate it.

Zybomb · #2 09-08-06, 03:07 PM

No... this is the shitty thing. It effectively reduces everyone's stack to whatever the cap is

"For example, in a $60 Cap game, a player with $400 in chips may only wager up to $60 of his stack on a single hand, including pre- and post-flop play."

So your raise to 59 thing and then bet only 59 on the turn thing doesnt work

Talking Poker · #3 09-08-06, 05:38 PM

That's retarded. Why in the world would I want to play in a game where the max stack is 30 BBs? I don't care how bad the players are, I can't see how that could be worthwhile.

Count me out.

Zybomb · #4 09-08-06, 05:51 PM

I agree 100%.... the only use I can think out of this is to get a feel for a higher limit which u r considering making a move up to without risking a huge chunk. (it'll be a skwed view of it...but whatever)

Penguinfan · #5 09-08-06, 05:52 PM

I see what you are saying TP, but give it a try, the table I am at is soft as they come. Now think about who just made that statement.

I am down $15 from a $50 buy in at a .25/.50 table and had the following happen:

Then hand above.

Got agressive on the button, raised to $2 (4x) with 45s, got called by the BB, flopped a wheel, turn is a 3, the money goes in and he shows 23 for a boat.

66 in the BB call a raise of $1 flop 4

6

9

SB bets the cap and I obvoiously call, he shows A5 turn 3, river 2 he makes a str8 and I again lose the max without playing badly.

I know everyone on the wrong end of beats think they take it worse than anyone, but I'm telling you this happens to me all the time.

Fortunatly I have learned that this is a good thing, the vast majority of the time I am raking $30+ pots off these idiots, as soon as the deck quits saving them. People are honestly calling with any pair, any draw. Eventually I am gonna crush this game.

I'll post a PT screenshot as soon as I do, PRINT IT.

Being on the wrong side of the beats makes me like this table.

Glad today was rakeback payment day at FT

Talking Poker · #6 09-08-06, 06:06 PM

I took some pretty sick beats at the no cap tables earlier today. Within 3 minutes:

-All in on the turn, he hits his 2 outer on the river (KK no good here!).
-All in on the turn, he hits his 5 outer on the river (that wil lteach me to flop 2 pair to his TURNED SECOND PAIR).
-All in on the turn, I'm drawing to one out in a set over set over straight hand. YUCK!

Of those, only for the last one would I have liked the cap. I USUALLY get my money in on the good side of things, and suckouts are part of the game.

Finished the session up $1000, btw.

Zybomb · #7 09-08-06, 06:11 PM

After those beats, GG sir

BlibbityBlabbity · #8 09-08-06, 07:20 PM

I have heard at least two pros saying it is important for them to have a CAP on the games. I would think it is similar to the reason they "run it twice" often ehen it is a marginal situation. They are looking to build slowly and wait for big spots without taking huge swings, right?

I would think that applies almost exclusively to larger sums of money that a 1/2 stack. Also at higher limits you are going to find fewer players that will pay you off big on the turn and the river with a bad hand or a bad draw. At low limits you lose a lot of expectation by capping the max bet, but at higher limits where the play is evened out (somewhat) I would think it makes more sense in a "safe" kind of way.