Cap Games on Full Tilt

[bdawg31]

I thought it seemed odd too. That defeats the whole purpose of wanting to have maximum chips for maximum 'ammunition'.

With that said - does anyone think this will attract weak/scared players?

[Penguinfan]

Yes I do, simply because I am actually thinking about playing these tables. Since I am just now learning to turn a profit at NL cash games it makes sense for me not to give two hours work back on a single bad beat.

Honestly, in the past two days I have played well for 2+ hours winning small to medium pots only to lose a giant pot on the river twice, once with AA and once with KK. Kinda protects me from myself in that sense.

Now if I was the kind of player who was wanting to play big pots and hope people miss thier draws then I would absolutly hate this.

Just because FT offers this doesn't mean you have to play it though, they still have regular tables.


In the "Big Game" don't they have a limit on what you can lose on a hand as well?

[bdawg31]

I guess to take that one step further - if someone is learning to play NL - or moving up levels - this is a way to protect yourself from losing it all when you make a mistake.

i think someone posted a quote from Barry Greenstein's book that he suggests buying in for the minimum when moving up levels in NL cash games. I guess this would be a variation of that.

[Penguinfan]

Good example:

KK 4x raise, flop a set on a board of 24K, bet the pot, get called, turn is a 9 (two hearts on the board now), I know I'm ahead here and push the rest in, he calls with 3 5 , can't blame him with the flush draw and open ended str8 draw, he hits the str8 on the river costing me most of my stack.

Not sure I really went wrong, but protection there would have been nice.


I say that only becasue I have been on the wrong end of a lot of these recently, if not, I might feel differently.

[thrash1294]

OK played some cap tables today and they are loose as hell so far its like a freeroll in 25nl today

[Talking Poker]

I got the email too. My immediate reaction is that these will attract the scared money players. I'm not sure if that will make up for the obvious pitfalls of having the cap though (not being able to stack anyone, not having NEARLY the same amount of ammo you could have in order to push someone off a hand, etc). What I'm more worried about is these games taking the weak players OUT of the normal games, and making those games tougher to beat.

IMO, if they want these to work, the cap should be around the max buy in - 100 BBs. By having it at just 30 BBs, that really changes the way a hand is going to play out on the turn and river.

Question though: Say, in Zy's example, he raised $53 instead of $54 (total of $59). Then he wouldn't be all in, and could lead out at the turn for $59, right? In order for his opponent to "cap" the action, he'd have to make a full raise (another $53 on the flop or $59 on the turn), right? If that's how it works, it's not so bad, but if he's somehow able to raise to $60 straight in either case, then I hate it.

[Zybomb]

No... this is the shitty thing. It effectively reduces everyone's stack to whatever the cap is

"For example, in a $60 Cap game, a player with $400 in chips may only wager up to $60 of his stack on a single hand, including pre- and post-flop play."

So your raise to 59 thing and then bet only 59 on the turn thing doesnt work

[melioris]

this sucks. It reduces stack size to 30BB (assuming Zybomb's example is correct). So it really hurts to make a CB in these games. For instance, a hand with one caller, assuming a 3xBB preflop, a CB commits a total of 1/4 of your stack to the hand. I dont' get the appeal.

And penguinfan-you played that hand perfect. The monkey called without odds at each step, something you want. yeah, it totally sucks what happened but on the flop he was getting 2:1 his money when he was a little less than a 3:1 dog, and on the turn got less than 2:1 on his money when he was well over a 2:1 dog. Shit happens. At one of these tables the monkey probably would have had proper odds to call one those bets because your stack size was limited.

[JDMcNugent7]

wow. thats really dumb.
but i guarentee ppl start playing it like Pot Limit holdem, and inexperienced players like to raise to play that game with WAY more variance for some reason...raising the max Alot and making fast crazy calls.

i would def. play in this game if this ur limit and just tighten up and raise the hell out of hands.

[Penguinfan]

I'm not really complaining, it may be a leak in my game that I like to get the money in after the turn, reason being is they aren't going to pay you off when they miss their draw so I like to charge them up front.