Poker With Software - PAHUD / GT+

[Talking Poker]

You get what I'm saying though, right?

I mean, if one guy is 9/0 through 50 hands and another guy is 85/45 through those same 50 hands, surely that's enough data for you to classify them (and PLAY against them) differently, rather than ignoring the numbers until you play 950 (or however many) more hands with them...

[melioris]

I think I may rely too heavily on the numbers at the level I play (≤100NL). I use them to influence decisions, but not make them.

Preflop I use the standard numbers to influence decisions (mostly to help me figure out implied odds or when to help to convince myself to reraise to isolate), VP$IP, %PFR and sometimes I look at cold call

On the flop I have three numbers displayed that I rely on. %fold to CB and %player CBs and AF. I really use these numbers to tailor my actions to the correct style of opponent. At my levels you run into a real problem of making a move against a player that is incapable of being influence by the move, so I use this numbers to help me make the correct decision on the flop.

On the turn and river I look at total won and % won at showdown to help me figure out what to do.

I have it set so that it doesn’t display info on anyone with less that 25 hands (I think this is the default setting). I think 25 hands should be enough to establish trends on a player. After a 100 hands, statistically the trends shouldn’t vary too much to change your view of the player (for our purposes folding to a CB 85% is the same as folding to a CB 75%). If you are looking for more specific info than trends, I think you are relying too much on the numbers and not enough on the situation.

[Aequitas58]

I understand what you're saying, but we're also talking about extremes. The guy is a maniac after 50, it's pretty clear he'll stay that way. Dealing with the maniacs or tight-passives is easy.

For what it's worth, I'm not comfortable with 30 hands on someone, and I'm pretty sure that not many people would be. Then again, I'm not saying I NEED MORE than 1000, I'm saying I don't know. I'm asking what other people are comfortable with.

[Talking Poker]

Gotcha.

And maybe it's because I ONLY use it to identify the extreme players that I don't care about all the guys in the middle. I simply don't use the software to make decisions for anyone with remotely "normal" looking numbers. I think doing so may be relying on it too much. And really, all those numbers are showing you is how he has played in the past. A guy who is 28/18 is just as likely to have raised you with AA on this hand as he is with 78s. Well, if he's me, anyway.

Like I said, I use the numbers to quickly identify the extreme players, and that's it. For everyone else, it's a non factor.