HR4411 - tomorrow is the big day...

TajaUk · #1 07-11-06, 07:24 PM

This is really funny.

PShabi · #2 07-11-06, 07:35 PM

Alrighty, thanks for stopping in. Bye.

Talking Poker · #3 07-11-06, 07:48 PM

How do you figure? I realize you don't live in the U.S., but if this ever passes, it will have very clear GLOBAL impacts.

Think about the big picture for a minute before making stupid comments.

Penguinfan · #4 07-11-06, 08:00 PM

Taja

Of course you realize what happens to the action at every site if the US is not playing, right?

Talking Poker · #5 07-12-06, 05:34 AM

CardPlayer's take on things:

PShabi · #6 07-12-06, 12:33 PM

Seems like Taja likes to stop in and try to needle "the USA" everytime the opportunity presents itself. Pathetic needling attempt, yes, but I still see that as his motivation.

He did LEAVE the forum because he didn't want to be associated with it. When does he return? To jab at people about the US in the World Cup and in this thread. He has posted in a few other spots, I admit, but it's still weak.

GTDawg · #7 07-12-06, 12:49 PM

I think it is funny too. I mean, once again, the government is trying to regulate what people do on their own time with their own money for "the good of America".

Same with drugs, same with the FCC, same with this. It is insane how much the government is starting to creep in to even the miniscule things.

I'm surprised they haven't already figured out how to regulate and tax it somehow.

Penguinfan · #8 07-12-06, 01:14 PM

On the top right of that page you can search easily and find your Senator, e-mail them telling them you OPPOSE HR4411.

On a brighter not you have to remember that the Senate has a TON to do this session and it will be abbreviated with re-election campaigns going on. The Senate Minority leader is from Nevada, the gaming industry there is against this bill since they would prefer to see some type of regulation instead of prohibition that way they can get a piece of the pie.

This means there is a good chance he can "run the clock out" on this before it gets to a vote, wouldn't hurt to send him an e-mail as well.

Talking Poker · #9 07-12-06, 02:02 PM

This makes it even easier:

Talking Poker · #10 07-12-06, 02:37 PM

Dear PPA Member:

Thank you for all you do to promote and defend the great game of poker.

On Tuesday, July 11, 2006, American poker players were dealt a bad hand by the U.S. House of Representatives. In a 317 to 93 vote the U.S. House passed H.R. 4411, sponsored by Jim Leach, R-Iowa, which would prohibit banks and credit card companies from processing payments for online gambling bets. It also includes the major provisions of another bill HR 4777 by Robert W. Goodlatte, R-Va., that would force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to block access or disable hyperlinks to Web sites that offer online gambling.

Inexplicably, this legislation provides exemptions for online horse betting, Internet lotteries and certain fantasy sports, yet poker and other online games are swept into this prohibition bill.

The Poker Players Alliance has worked tirelessly on your behalf to keep this bill from passing the U.S. House. While our efforts have fallen short today, we have had tremendous success in delivering our message to lawmakers and the media. This fight is far from over and we hope that you will continue to stand with the Poker Players Alliance as we continue to fight to ensure that this misguided legislation does not become law.

Each day our organization is growing in both numbers and influence. I ask that you help us in that effort by encouraging all your friends and family to join the Poker Players Alliance. Whether someone plays poker or not, all Americans who value individual liberty and personal responsibility should be part of our campaign.

Now is not the time to waver, our voices must be heard loud and clear. Members of the U.S. House who voted for this bill should know that you oppose their position and similarly, those who voted against it should be applauded for their courageous stand. A list of the recorded vote is available by going to . Please see how your Representative voted then call or write to let he or she know how you feel.

Again, we are grateful for your dedication to our cause and we share your love for this game.

Sincerely,
Michael Bolcerek

Poker Players Alliance Responds to House Vote Banning Online Poker

Washington, D.C.(July 11, 2006) — Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance, released the following statement after the U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation that would prohibit Americans from playing poker on the Internet.

"We are disappointed that the House of Representatives would assail the rights of Americans to enjoy the great game of poker on the Internet. It is unconscionable that a skill game like poker gets swept into the net of prohibition, while online horse betting and Internet lotteries get free passes," said Mr. Bolcerek.

"The United States should follow the lead of the United Kingdom by regulating and taxing online poker, not banning it. An economic analysis just released by our organization shows that U.S. regulation of online poker has the potential to raise more than $3.3 billion in annual revenue for the federal government, in addition to another $1 billion for state coffers. We hope that this analysis will give a fresh perspective for U.S. Senators about the benefits of regulation.

"The Poker Players Alliance is undeterred in its mission to promote and protect the game of poker and we will continue to advance the cause on behalf of poker players in the United States."

A copy of the Poker Players Alliance economic analysis can be found at .

TajaUk · #11 07-12-06, 02:58 PM

You will get slated for saying its funny. Your somehow saying Americans suck and you hate the country.

lightfungus · #12 07-12-06, 05:32 PM

Heh, he was being sarcastic...

PShabi · #13 07-12-06, 05:37 PM

This bill doth sucketh.

TajaUk · #14 07-12-06, 02:54 PM

Pathetic needling attempt?

The initial comment was made becasue I find the thing amusing for a few reasons; It wont ever happen and land of the free trying to stop people having harmless fun.

Could you please link all the other posts I made that slated the USA please I am interested to see if they actually was any? Just becasue someone says the USA chances of winning the world cup are zero, not sure how that constitues a jab. Maybe your a little too sensitive for your own good. We all love our country and all but there are others in the world you know

If your offended by people passing harmless comments regarding somthing not going to happen then you should live in a box. I am fully aware of what would happen if it was to actually become law but what another country does or doesnt decide to do in regards to its gaming laws will have "very little" effect on me using ladbrokes or other Euro based gaming sites that I do currently.

And talking of being pathetic, bringing up things that happened 3 years ago you know nothing about springs to mind,trying to somehow make me look silly. Sorry bud I left becasue of the way one or two people acted after I won the forum challenge. I am sure one day you will realise principles and the way you conduct yourself means alot to some people. Again your post only gives credence to my initial impressions of some quick to prejudge people that frequented the forums.

Talking Poker · #15 07-12-06, 03:09 PM

This is extremely naive thinking. The bill passed by an overwhelming majority in the House. We should have no reason to believe it won't pass in the Senate as well, and the White House has already said it supports it.

As for the "very little" effect on you, hopefully we'll never have to find out, but I'm confident that you are very, very wrong about that.

TajaUk · #16 07-12-06, 03:52 PM

But TP it wont have any effect on most European poker players online. The so called Big US poker companies will get around laws or seek to exploit the markets outside their country. Pokerstars for example will have a seperate Euro client and no one will care tbh.

I really will suck for people in America true, but poker survived before it and will do after. Live games are good

Boobie Lover · #17 07-12-06, 05:30 PM

Why would Pokerstars create a seperate client? I am fairly certain that Pokerstars was (and probably still is) the main sponsor for the European Poker Tour. What are they just going to create a new platform out of the blue if the US bans online gambling? I don't think so. Also, your argument that no one will care outside of US if it does become illegal is fairly dumb.

PShabi · #18 07-12-06, 03:25 PM

I'm not easiliy offended, but very easily annoyed. If you want to look at your past posts, go right ahead. Click on your user name and "find all posts."

To the average poster, they probably won't find much to be "annoyed" at. But for someone who's been around from day two, it appears different.

You throw a hissy fit because of forum behavior that you do not want to be "associated with" and take off. Fair enough. That was about the most bitch-like thing ever posted on here, but hey, more power to you. I guess you live in Dramaland and like to make yourself feel important.

But, then, you show up again and make a few commments like this, and well, I guess it rubbed me the wrong way.

In your last paragraph, you get back to your crusade about principles and the reflection of the forum on blah blah blah. So, why the fuck did you come back?

And what the fuck does this mean?: "Again your post only gives credence to my initial impressions of some quick to prejudge people that frequented the forums."????

I don't know what you're talking about "prejudging" but whatever man. I don't prejudge. If somebody decides to act a certain way that I don't agree with or appreciate, I'll call the out, but no prejudging.

In fact, I'm not sure you're even referring to me anymore. Surprise surprise! I still "frequent" the forum, so are you even talking about me? Oh wait, you're lumping everyone in the forum together based on something SOMEONE did 3 YEARS AGO!!!!! Just like you did 3 years ago. Get over yourself.

TajaUk · #19 07-12-06, 03:45 PM

I still find it very amusing, the whole thing baffles me. I clearly needle "the USA" everytime the opportunity so much NOT once can you quote me on this, please try produce such posts I am interested in these false claims. Mind you this from a person that twists "I find this funny" to being a anti American person who comes here to stir shit. You need help.

There have another go at me

you clearly have lots of anger to share.

Talking Poker · #20 07-12-06, 03:52 PM

I'm not taking sides here, nor do I see what any of this nonsense has to do with HR4411... but.... I don't see what is so amusing or baffling, nor do I see pshabi's "anger"...

You made an odd comment on the last page, saying this was "funny" (with no further explanation), when clearly there is nothing "funny" about it - no matter which side of the issue you are on. pshabi responded (as did I). You responded to that, asking for him to explain his accusations of you taking jabs at the U.S. every chance you get. He did exactly that.... and now you are baffled? All he did was do what you asked him to do, and tell you how he sees things.

I guess I'm baffled at you being baffled, and I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but it seems to me you are stirring up shit for no reason.

Edit: I see that you have now edited your post to clarify a bit... but I still don't see why you need people to dig through your old posts and quote them back to you. Can't you just look through them yourself? Also, if you really must have a discussion about your posts and if they are anti-American or not, please start a new thread in the Off Topic section for that, since this has NOTHING to do with this thread. Thanks.

TajaUk · #21 07-12-06, 03:55 PM

The reason I am fuked off TP is the funny comment was not meant to be a slight on anyone or USA. I have lived in the states and worked there. I intend to move there eventually so for someone to say I come on here with the intention to be pathetic and have a go at all things USA without giving me ONE example of when I did this, is out of order. NOT once have i made a post having a jab at America, so how can you say he responded to that? If I was to say you TP are a complete twat and take every opportunity to slate Black people in every post you make, i think you would be more than offended. Then you would demand that person quoted your posts, seems reasonable. Then for that person to bring up shit from 3 years ago, that has nothing to do with anything again is stupid. But then I guess you can think what you want.

Talking Poker · #22 07-12-06, 03:59 PM

Just to clarify, this forum will be two years old in October.

PShabi · #23 07-12-06, 04:04 PM

Annoyed, yes, angry, no. Do I need to repeat this again?

Here's my point of view:

1) You stormed out like a little girl when your playmate wouldn't share dolly.
2) You come back, out of the blue, who knows why?
3) Right after your reemergence, you make some one-liners in the World Cup threads that rubbed me the wrong way. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU LEFT THE FORUM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
4) Then, you pop in to this thread and make that one-liner stating, "this is funny."

So, in summary: You're storming off like a child, coupled with your return, and your comments that I construed to be childish little jabs have annoyed me a tiny little bit.

I admire that you stuck to your guns and stayed away from the forum for so long. If you don't want that brought up anymore, how about an explanation as to what drove you back???

My guess is it got boring just reading and not posting during that time.

Edit: I'm not surprised I failed to see the humor in some of these comments. Taja makes Eejit look like Johnny fucking Carson.