general forum = dumb question :D

[adam13]

That makes pretty good sense to me........
Now out of all of that a couple more questions.

1. If my pot odds are greater than my percentage of hitting my hand, generally speaking, I should call??

2. How did you calculate those percentages of frequency of hitting my hand? (31% for flush etc....) Curious so that I might be able to figure out how those odds would be affected if I missed the turn.......


thanks alot for the detailed explanation though.....I am determined to learn this so I can actually get better!!

[Zybomb]

1. Yes... go look over the examples I posted with actual numbers and see for yourself WHY you should call

2. A flush isn't 31% first of all... but ignoring that, to keep it simple it takes the number of cards that will help you (in a flush draw case 9 cards will help you, since there are 9 remaining diamonds, or whatever suit you have left in the deck) and compares it to the number of unseen cards. There are 52 cards in a deck, you know what 2 of them are (from whats in your hand) and what 3 more of them are (the flop) That means there are 47 'unknown cards'. NOW I realize that there arent 47 cards left in the deck, because your opponents have some of them... but since we do not know what cards your opponents have, we have to include them in the unseen cards. Now if we knew that your 4 opponents had 2 cards each and none was a diamond, then there'd be 39 unknown cards instead and the % would go up... but since we don't know we have to assume there is an equal chance of there being diamonds in your opponents hands as there is for them not to have diamonds.

So 47 cards remaining, which means that 9 will help you and 38 will not help you

38 / 9 = 4.2


Now say you miss on the turn.

Now there are 46 unknown cards (because we know one more, the turn card) and still 9 cards that will help us (the 9 diamonds still) but now only 37 that will not help us

37 / 9 = 4.1

So these are roughly your chances that you will hit on JUST the turn or JUST the river (roughly 4:1)

But, you have 9 outs twice ( once on the turn and again on the river)

I used to just say thats a total of 18 outs (9+9) and 27 non outs 29:9 = 38%, but that's off by 2% and obvious I can't figure it that way since I don't actually have 18 outs and the number of cards changes on the turn and river... rather than figure out the exact way to it it, I just memorized an odds chart and stuck with it

(a way of saying ask someone who is better at math than I am) lol

[PShabi]

I'm gonna answer this a bit simpler for you than Zy did. Just cause I think it helps to hear things in a different way for some people. Zy's post was so money, but I remember back when I was trying to figure out pot odds and shit for the first time and saying, "huh," even when it was explained thoroughly.

1) Yes. If you're pot odds are 5:1 and you are a 3:1 favorite to win the hand, call. If the pot odds are 3:1 and the chance of you hitting the best hand are 5:1, you fold. (ignoring implied odds for the example).

2) You can odds to %s simply. 9:1 odds say that you are going to miss 9 times for every 1 time you hit, in ten trials. So, putting it simply, you will hit 1 out of 10 times. 1/10 = 10%.

My suggestion is learn how to count your outs properly. Okay, I'm behind here, but I have 8 outs to improve, etc. For the time being, find a good odds chart like the one in SSHE.

It shows you that if you have X outs, you need X:X pot odds to breakeven. So then you'll know your odds of hitting w/o timing out! Then just count the odds the pot is laying you (i.e. 8 bets in, 1 more to call). After a while, you won't need the chart anymore. The most frequent draws will be cemented in your brain.

[Zybomb]

Simpler ay?

[eejit101]

im gonna make a rule, if ive been awake for longer than 14 hours, i wont post

[PShabi]

good idea

[eejit101]

fuck off dick face

[PShabi]

I know it will make the forum pretty much unreadable, because Eeshit pops up in every thread in near spam-like fashion, but whatever. I need to concentrate on strategy posting right now more than bullshit posting anyway.

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