In case any one didn't know...

[Robbie Robb]

According to an email that was posted on RGP, for this tourney they're bumping everyone up one spot. So whoever it was that finished in 2nd, now finishes 1st and gets the extra $10K associated. I don't know if this has been confirmed as being legitimate yet or not though.

This does cause concern for me however. Nikki & I OFTEN play MTTs together. We've NEVER ended up on a table together (except in that one TP event) and we're so competitive with each other we wouldn't tell each other shit. In fact, we'd probably go out of our way to bust the other person out . But we could easily be seen as colluding on these games. For this reason, even though I'm pretty sure you guys all trust us, she's not going to crash the last league event since I'm playing for position. Well, hopefully if any questions ever do arise about our play, we'll be able to answer those questions to the satisfaction of the company involved.

[JDMcNugent7]

No, TP i was not in this tourny.

And... sorry for using the word "fag" to bunny and Meloris and whoever else... I honestly didnt even think about it or realized i typed it. I have no problem with gay ppl at all, i think that is prob. the first time i used that word on this forum in all 1,000 of my posts, and i wont use it again.

[Talking Poker]

Thanks, JD. I knew you didn't mean any offense by it, but thanks for the apology and for saying you will try to be more aware of it in the future. I think that's all anyone could ask of you.

[GTDawg]

You know, TP...I think the forum code is absolutely ffffaaaaabbbbbuuuulllloooooouuuuuuusssss

But, the fact that it keeps trying to install a Celine Dion screensaver everytime I visit the site is a little much.
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And man, you should see the people that get upset at the Braves thing. It's always white people I see complaining.

[Talking Poker]

I'm not sure if you were joking about this or not... people have actually made similar comments in the past. But there are no popups, no spyware, no nothing here. If anything weird like that ever does happen to you, it's because you have a virus or Adware on your computer. It's not coming from this forum.

[GTDawg]

Hahaha

No man...

[melioris]

Hey JD- it is no problem. I only pointed it out because I knew you didn’t mean anything by it and figured that the best way to clear it. It is not like you cheated at poker.

TP-I didn’t mean hijack the thread or anything like that. I figured I’d post, JD would realize that are hypersensitive fucks like me out there, and that would be the end of it.

[jillaj]

See now I am offended by that generalization. I also prefer the term caucasion american.

[Robbie Robb]

Then there are those that are offended by all the politically correct crap in the first place!

[Talking Poker]

At times, that would be me. Well, I'm not offended by it, but it can get a little ridiculous at times.

[BDMK]

[quote=GTDawg]You know, TP...I think the forum code is absolutely ffffaaaaabbbbbuuuulllloooooouuuuuuusssss

But, the fact that it keeps trying to install a Celine Dion screensaver everytime I visit the site is a little much.
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thx man...after having suffered thru a miserable poker day, u managed to crack me up.

[redbank09]

this is 2006 and with dumbass eminem being around for 7 years u would think that people would understand when jd called him a fag he didnt mean he sleeps with guys. he just meant he is an ass or he is shady.

[MAYHEM45]

Dude, yes you were in this tourney. If I were you I would run a search in your PT for ABlackCar. If you were ever at a table with him, you should let party know.

[bunny]

Apology accepted.

I used to be the same as you, saying it all the time without realizing I was offending anyone, up until someone mentioned it to me and told me how disrespectful it truly was.

Thankyou for understanding.

[Talking Poker]

I'm perfectly happy to have N1k play in the final league event, but it's probably better that she doesn't. While I trust you guys, if you were to win, there could potentially be controversy, etc, etc. Then again, who's to say that Aeq and pshabi haven't been on AIM together every time pshabi has backed Lou to play in the league with us, so Lou could dump all his chips to pshabi so he could win the $50 bet he and I have? Hmmmmmmm....

I think it would be fine if she played, but it's up to you.

On a more important note, you and N1k may want to proactively contact the poker sites about your playing in MTTs together, if you haven't already... just in case.

[Robbie Robb]

I think she'll still probably sit this one out. If I didn't have a hope in hell of cashing out in the points, then, yeah, absolutely, we'd both play. But since I'm in 2nd right now and if I bring my A+ game and Zy can't make it, I've got a chance at first place. Ergo, it's best for everyone that she not play. I'd MUCH rather win this and have everyone go "Great playing Rob!" as opposed to "Congrats Rob...but..."

Definitely something we should do. Right now the only MTTs that we play in are the $0.10 (hehe) ones on PS and some of the TEC/points freerolls on UB, but yeah, we should definitely let them know. I think that our play styles are different enough to be noticeable so that anyone reviewing would realize there's no way that the same person is playing both usernames. But yeah, definitely something we should do.
EDIT: Just sent off emails to PS and UB, the only two sites we really play on together. Hopefully they won't have a problem.

[Talking Poker]

I don't think you need to worry about that. You may get a few "luckbox" type comments though - I seriously think I saw you win 90% of the time you went in with the worst of it a couple tourneys ago.

[Robbie Robb]

<Kelso>Buuuuurrrrrnnnn!</Kelso>

Yeah, I played a little recklessly that game. Trust me, it won't be happening Sunday night. If you see me all-in pre-flop KNOW that I'm holding AA, KK, or maybe AKs...oh yeah, or KJ

[Aequitas58]

Judging by the smiley, I can only assume that you are not serious.

I can see from your perspective how it could look like dumping, but that didn't happen, nor was it anything like that. He told me the event was starting, I told him I didn't have money on Stars, he backed me for 50% of winnings if I placed (plus the buyin). We would only talk about hands w/ each other if the other person was out of the game... ie: I folded, but he's got action w/ TP, etc.

I think I hand I went in on what something ridiculous (Q-high on a gutshot draw?), but when he bet into me, I put him on a bluff. I remember liking the texture of the flop, because he missed w/ the range of hands I put him on. So, I pushed, trusting my read, and made the wrong decision. My read was incorrect (it happens!) and I was out.

Oh well.

[Aequitas58]

Back to the topic of this thread:

It's a common thing that top online tournament players (TLB leaders, etc.) play the same tournament w/ multiple accounts. If a top player is given the option of playing one account tight and solid (making that the "safety" account), he's given the freedom to play his other account more reckless by pushing his small edges. His goal is catch a few hands with the reckless account so that he's in great shape for the middle of the tournament. Again, if his plan doesn't work out with the reckless account, he always had the saftey net other account.

Anyway, you can see the dilemma. It's infinitely hard to catch these multi-account players, so more and more people do it. Now here comes JJProdigy. A good player who learned how the "system" works at the higher levels. To be competitive, you have to play with multiple accounts yourself, because there are other PROS who have 15 accounts in the weekly $215. He's unlucky enough to get caught, and now he's a scapegoat?

Morally, I think it's wrong, but then again: if I'm gambling with other people, they are cheating against me, I know about the cheating, and I know it's not being stopped, why shouldn't I cheat back?

Just the other side of the argument.

[redbank09]

your whole statement sounds so familar aque. oh yeah, thats what all of major league baseball said, they are cheating, why shouldnt i.

[JDMcNugent7]

I know u dont think like this exactly, but.. thats the same stupid reasoning JJ used... everyone else is cheating - so its suddenly okay ?
That's just dumb and he's dumb for doing it so I'm very glad they took the $ back.

[PShabi]

I see the point of the other side of the argument. But, if that was the only way I could compete, then I'd just rather not play.

JD, TP, etc who buy-in to these frequently:

How do you feel about buying into these tourneys in the future?

[JDMcNugent7]

Ya it gives them an edge, and in turn takes a small edge away from me - but not a huge edge i dont think.
It would be one thing if they could get their 2 accounts together and chip dump them to one account, giving them an obvious advantage, but since this will rarely happen, I really don't think it takes away a large amount of edge from us. Really, its just he has 2 times the chance to win, but it's not like they can see my cards or anything. Sit them at my table and I still feel fairly confident against them.

[Aequitas58]

No, I'm not saying cheating is right... but:

If I ever make serious money at poker like the top professionals, and cheating is the only way to do it, then I'll cheat. Only if, of course, I'm being cheated against. To begin with, this is gambling. Isn't it already morally wrong? If it's not, then who's to judge me and say that cheating is wrong?

Enough arguing about this - nothings going to come of it. I'm just presenting the other side. JJ got jacked for $180k, but he's got more. This isn't going to stop him or the other pros.