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11-20-04, 03:14 PM
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I disagree.
I feel like the chessplayers were the first group of people to use this argument... I do agree that in the initial stages, you CAN beat the computer - it's only a machine. But you won't be able to beat the machine once it gets better. It will stop making mistakes. You, on the other hand, will make mistakes. You can/will go on tilt. The computer won't. Not discrediting any of your poker talent, I just think the best machine will eventually be able to beat the best player. Ask Gary Kasparov.
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11-20-04, 04:01 PM
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You are comparing chess with poker. And you just can't do that. These are two very, very, very different games.
If and when AI takes big steps forward, sure, a bot may be able to play very, very, very good poker against it's opponents. But I think we're years and years away from that kind of technology. Take the tournament of Champions show on ESPN for example. Sit a bot at that table instead of Raymer... it's not going to win. It wouldn't stand a chance. You say the bot won't make mistakes and I will, but this is where I disagree with you. Hold'Em is a game where sometimes "mistakes" aren't mistakes. If the bot plays "flawlessly" by always putting it's money in when it believes it has a mathematical edge, than that's it's weakness and could be easily exploited by a half decent player. "Eventually?" Maybe. But now? No way. |
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11-20-04, 04:47 PM
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A bot can't win the TOC, yet Annie Duke can?? COME ON!
I know what you're saying, and it is a weak comparison, but I think it applies. Agree to disagree.
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11-20-04, 06:17 PM
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Wow, spyware taken to the next level. Now I got to be careful when I am entering privy info.
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11-21-04, 02:21 AM
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I think most people are naive to the advances in the past decadein AI. It is not at all difficult to remember past hands, and do opponent mapping for every opponent ever played against using a feed-forward neural network. I think that bots could become much better poker players than the best, if some serious study was done into what makes a poker player truly great.
If used correctly, computers could take over the poker world in only a few short years. |
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11-21-04, 02:20 PM
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Yea what he said ... with the feed forward neutral thing.
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11-21-04, 03:57 PM
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everyone says that bots will never catch up with real players, but thats what everyone said when deep blue was made, then it ended up beating the best chess player in the world. if the computer takes tabs on your betting, your folding, and even how long you pause before acting, you will have no chance. bots should be prevented at all costs.
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