RGP all in a tizzy

Chutups · #1 11-19-04, 11:37 PM

I knew it wouldn't take a lot of time until someone made somthing like this, kind of scary you could be playing a table full of bots.

drewjax · #2 11-20-04, 01:06 AM

Is there only talk of this taking place only on Party, and not other sites.

Talking Poker · #3 11-20-04, 01:29 AM

Honestly, I'm not worried about it at all. A bot is only as good as the person who programmed it - it can't learn, it has to follow set rules, it can't adapt to the "feel" of the game, and it doesn't remember what happened the previous hand. Given all that, I STILL think it could make money by just playing half decent poker online, but I'll take my chances with a room full of them any day.

johnbaker · #4 11-20-04, 02:41 AM

cheatnig in all its forms should be prevented, i dont mind if partypoker takes screenshots of my desktop if it will prevent bot users from running around on partypoker fucking up a game of skill and turning it solely into a game of statistics.

-jB

Aequitas58 · #5 11-20-04, 04:14 PM

I disagree.

I feel like the chessplayers were the first group of people to use this argument... I do agree that in the initial stages, you CAN beat the computer - it's only a machine. But you won't be able to beat the machine once it gets better. It will stop making mistakes. You, on the other hand, will make mistakes. You can/will go on tilt. The computer won't.

Not discrediting any of your poker talent, I just think the best machine will eventually be able to beat the best player.

Ask Gary Kasparov.

Talking Poker · #6 11-20-04, 05:01 PM

You are comparing chess with poker. And you just can't do that. These are two very, very, very different games.

If and when AI takes big steps forward, sure, a bot may be able to play very, very, very good poker against it's opponents. But I think we're years and years away from that kind of technology.

Take the tournament of Champions show on ESPN for example. Sit a bot at that table instead of Raymer... it's not going to win. It wouldn't stand a chance.

You say the bot won't make mistakes and I will, but this is where I disagree with you. Hold'Em is a game where sometimes "mistakes" aren't mistakes. If the bot plays "flawlessly" by always putting it's money in when it believes it has a mathematical edge, than that's it's weakness and could be easily exploited by a half decent player.

"Eventually?" Maybe. But now? No way.

Aequitas58 · #7 11-20-04, 05:47 PM

A bot can't win the TOC, yet Annie Duke can?? COME ON!

I know what you're saying, and it is a weak comparison, but I think it applies. Agree to disagree.

Tilter · #8 11-20-04, 07:17 PM

Wow, spyware taken to the next level. Now I got to be careful when I am entering privy info.

hackers238 · #9 11-21-04, 03:21 AM

I think most people are naive to the advances in the past decadein AI. It is not at all difficult to remember past hands, and do opponent mapping for every opponent ever played against using a feed-forward neural network. I think that bots could become much better poker players than the best, if some serious study was done into what makes a poker player truly great.

If used correctly, computers could take over the poker world in only a few short years.

PShabi · #10 11-21-04, 10:49 AM

I'M WITH YOU MAN! I would love a table full of them at low limit. You could bluff A LOT more than you could with the people you usually play. The hands would be come really short-handed and I think I could win over half the pots I had dominant position in. I'd steal the button every hand from 8 and 9. It'd be a lot of fun.