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12-09-05, 01:34 PM
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Here's the thing.... those numbers are VERY impressive. Surely everyone will agree on that. But they are also very BIG numbers. He said himself that this was his best two months. So, let's assume this is about as good as it gets.
Now look at this number: If this was a VERY GOOD two months, maybe a safer and more reasonable expected return for him would be around $100 per SNG. Is that a reasonable guestimate? So here's what I'm wondering.... Couldn't he make a LOT MORE MONEY by playing in cash games? Maybe he's a good tourney player and a not so good cash game player... but I have to think his hourly rate would be much higher if he was playing high limit cash games. Yes, $75,000 is a very nice profit, but with his roll, and assuming he's as good at cash games as he is with tourneys (big assumption), I think he could have made a lot more than that playing $30/60, $100/200 and up. Thoughts? |
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12-09-05, 02:42 PM
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Maybe you answerede your own question, maybe he isn't a good cash game player.
I'm not anywhere near the player he is, or you or Pshabi for that matter and we have been over my losing results in the past, but the only place I hae won on any kind of consistant basis is SNG's A typical cash game for me goes like this (and I'm not joking) Play tight and fold all but premium hands in position, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Get dealt KK, flop has an Ace and it's three bets by the time it gets to me, fold. Repeat the fold scenario from earlier, get dealt AA and cap pre flop as well as the flop of 3-5-7, still get bet into and suspect something has gone wrong, check and call to the showdown to see a set of 5's. Repeat the fold and wait scenrio from earlier and get AK and pay three bets to see a raggedy flop and have to fold. This is seriously the scenario, now keep in mind it's usually 1/2 or 2/4 so this is the nature of the beast, but I get killed in ring games each and every time I sit down. In a SNG format I can let the morons kill each other when they get all their chips in pre-flop with A10 vs 33 vs Q9s and can usually start to pile up chips once we get to 5 or 6 handed. This raises the obvious question "Why don't you play 6-max then?" Well, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to work out either (see above scenario). Anyway, liek I said, maybe you answered your own question.
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12-09-05, 03:26 PM
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Agreed. You need to be picking up those blinds from time to time and if you are only play the top 10 hands, I think you're missing out. In theory, that will be a close to break even strategy, but you may want to explore opening up your game a bit.
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12-09-05, 03:36 PM
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My point was it is possible to do well at tournaments and not cash games. I have heard, but never seen first hand or facts, that Phil Helmuth fits this category.
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12-09-05, 09:53 PM
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I don't think so, since he can 8-12 table SNGs while at cash games he'd be lucky to find 12 games and would probably have to concentrate on each indivually too much to play so many tables making it at least IMO less profitable.
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12-09-05, 10:01 PM
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Why do you think he would need to concentrate more on cash games than on tourneys? If anything, I find the opposite to be true.
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12-09-05, 10:18 PM
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Maybe but he claims to play that many tables yet I've never heard of anyone playing more than a table or two at the highest limt cash games.
BTW he does play cash games, I've seen him two tabling $2000 NL a few times which means he probably thinks he has an advantage there as well but the limits simply aren't there to compesate for the money he can make by playing so many SNG's at once. |
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