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I don't think so. I think it's just after that, when they physically touch the muck. But I'm not sure. It may be when the pot is pushed which is usually BEFORE the board cards are picked up, right? That seems like a reasonable time to officially end the hand to me.
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I'm with the Man on this one, not mucked until in the muck. What happened in the moment?
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Every casino I play in they wait to put the player's cards in the muck before they place the board there. If the player's cards haven't touched the muck and the casino's rules are cards read the the J wins. I saw a guy stacking the chips in with his when the dealer realized that the guy was an idiot and had a flush. The casino had to count down the hand to transfer the chips from one guy to the other, it was a mess.
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