Congratulations Sox!

junYUN · #1 11-12-04, 08:39 PM

are you fucking kidding me? are you seriously saying andruw jones is equal to bernie williams? everything you say about baseball has just be negated. andruw jones is THE BEST center fielder in the game bar none, and whether or not you want to believe it, saving a run or two is the same as knocking in a run or two. yeah i would hate to have a gold glove center fielder who hits 35 homers and drives in 100+ runs.

half the league hit 40 homers? give me a break. there were exactly TEN players in the entire major leagues in 2003 that hit 40 homers, giambi hitting 41. if being in the top ten of homers in the ML isn't a big deal, tell me what is.

yes you're right steinbrenner has had the final say the last couple years, and what has it produced? well lets take the last four years for example:

2001 - 95 wins, division title, 13.5 games up on 2nd place sox
2002 - 103 wins, division title, 10.5 games up on 2nd place sox
2003 - 101 wins, division title, 6 games up on 2nd place sox
2004 - 101 wins, division title, 3 games up on 2nd place sox

see a trend here? just because the yankees aren't raking in the world series titles does by no means discount the dominant force they always are in the regular season.

Chutups · #2 11-13-04, 02:11 AM

I agree the Andruw Jones is way better than Bernie Williams, but I wouldn't go to say he is the best CF. Although he is in the upper echelon, I rather have JIm Edmonds and Carlos Beltran over Jones. But I do think he's the best defensive CF in the league.

junYUN · #3 11-13-04, 03:06 AM

yes, thats what i mean, the best center fielder in the game, not the best HITTING center fielder, the best fielding.

jimmytheg · #4 11-13-04, 05:26 AM

What I said was that Andruw Jones was equivilant to bernie williams at the plate, not in the field. So work on your fucking reading comprehension before you flame me. And career wise bernie is on average better than jones in every hitting category except for home runs, so maybe i was wrong...hes not even the equivilant of bernie. Whether you want to believe it or not, there is more to hitting than home runs.

I don't argue that Jones is the best defensive center fielder in the league, but he is most definately NOT the best overall cf. I would much rather have Beltran.

I was obviously kidding about half the league hitting 40 home runs...but Giambi still only hit .250 in 2003, and his future worth has to be questionable....that shouldnt be hard to accept.

And you talk about seeing a trend with those Yankee stats....yes I do see a trend. I see a team that has lost its dominance in the division. I see that their divison lead at the end of the year was smaller every year, even though their win totals were basically the same. I see that the new ownership of the Red Sox has closed the gap. And I also see the regular season dominance as you call it hasnt translated to championships. Which is why they are paper champions...

So what has steinbrenner actually produced? signing overpaid, selfish, bad clubhouse guys, who won't perform when it really matters..... having a horrendously thin starting staff, a bullpen that could only depend on 1 guy in the postseason, and almost no bench players......basically the exact opposite team model than what the championship Yankees were.

junYUN · #5 11-13-04, 04:45 PM

talk about reading comprehension...i AM contradicting the fact that bernie is as good as andruw at the plate. bernie is in the twilight of a great career, and to compare their career stats is fucking retarded (but hey maybe you are) because bernie won't put up anywhere near those numbers anymore.. but jones is still young enough to make strides in his plate numbers. yes i know there is more to hitting than home runs, but i also know that hitting 35 homers and driving in 100 runs, plus playing not just gold glove center field but the best center field in the majors -- makes andruw jones a HUGE player to pickup -- definatly NOT just another over-the-hump-bernie.

also no-one said shit about the red sox not being a good team, we basically stated that the yankees will still be a dominant team. god you red sox fans sure get defensive about the yankees, get the fuck over the last 100 years cry baby. yeah it must suck for the yankees since it's been a massive 4 years since they won the world series...what a shithole.

yes the yankees have plenty of overpaid, selfish players -- but they will still go out and sign at least 2 big names this off-season, have another great season, and get in the playoffs for the ump-teenth time. take a second to pull theo epsteins cock out of your mouth and realize that the bosox arent gods gift to baseball.

Chutups · #6 11-13-04, 06:37 PM

Yankee and Redsox fans argueing, I love it.

junYUN · #7 11-14-04, 05:50 PM

not a yankees fan, just not an idiot

GeoffM · #8 11-15-04, 08:08 AM

I hate to get involved in any disputes on this, but I happen to believe Jim Edmunds is the best defensive CF in baseball. The guy can catch balls over his shoulder routinely. Jones is a fabulous defensive CF, but I just give the nod to Edmunds based on the absolutely unbelievable catches he has been making the past few years.

junYUN · #9 11-15-04, 04:14 PM

jim edmonds actually had the worst fielding percentage of the three gold glove outfielders this year, at .988. his leaping home run saving catches are what reeled in the glove for him, but jones gets to a lot of balls that he doesn't HAVE to leap for because he has great instincts

eddo31 · #10 11-16-04, 02:27 PM

the only problem with edmonds is that he tries to make routine plays look difficult, and difficult plays look spectacular. i think that he is a great center fielder, but i would take andruw jones over him every day of the week in the field. jones makes difficult plays look easy, and he makes spectacular plays look difficult, and i would much rather have that.

edmonds is a better hitter though, so as overall players i would take edmonds.