Congratulations Sox!

GeoffM · #1 11-11-04, 04:46 PM

Their payroll was $153 million in 2003.

"The Yankees pulled in $223 million in revenue last season--almost double the league average--even after paying $29 million into the revenue-sharing scheme." (from Forbes magazine)

So they made $70 mill, but I was close.

Kidd7138 · #2 11-11-04, 06:25 PM

The Yankees will not get Johnson this year. The D-Backs, a rebuilding team looking to dump payroll, does not want overpaid veterans on the wrong side of 30. They can easily get much, much better value in a Johnson trade with the Dodgers or Angels, both have Major League ready stud prospects, the Yankees simply have no one AT ALL in their system.

While not having any farm system won't hurt them now, it will start to catch up to them in the future. The Red Sox, Angels, and Dodgers are 3 teams that can support a huge payroll, not Yankees huge but they could probably all go over $100 mil. Factor in the fact that they all have good farm systems and you see trouble for the Yankees. In a few years all three of these teams could easily have a core of 3-4 young star players making league minimum or close to it. That's a nucleus of players making under $5 mil easily. That gives the team's management over $100 million to sign a supporting cast with. Imagine what else the Sox could've done this year if Cabrera, Lowe, and Nixon were all making $500,000 instead of $5 mil+.

junYUN · #3 11-12-04, 01:38 AM

i'm sorry but the yankees will not drop off. one year of giambi plagued by injuries, parasites, and all of a sudden he's a glaring weakness? giambi will be back next year hitting long balls as usual, and the yankees will pick up at least one more starter. sure they have weaknesses, but they also have the craziest owner in baseball who is willing to do whatever it takes. there's also talk of a kevin brown for andrew jones swap (with the yankees paying for most of browns salary) which would give the yankees an absolutely devastating lineup, and the best center fielder in the game. brian cashman is a very smart guy, he will figure something out.

oh and i'm not a yankees fan

go cubs :]

jimmytheg · #4 11-12-04, 02:42 AM

Jones hit .300 once, in 2000, but every other year he has never hit above .275. He hit 7th in a weak braves lineup this year. That's the same as Bernie Williams. And if they do make the deal and get rid of Brown, that is yet another starting pitcher they need to acquire. There's only so much pitching out there. As it stands now, they only have Mussina and Vasquez, (I'm assuming El Duque isnt coming back) The old Yankees won with dominant pitching and clutch hitting.

Giambi has to be a big question mark...diesregarding all steroid rumors, the guy hit .250 in 2003 before the injuries. He did hit 40 homers that year, but about half the league did too. Even Cashman has said that Giambi's status is uncertain for next year.

I agree that Cashman is a great GM, but Steinbrenner has the ultimate final say, and he's been using it more and more these past couple years.
While I hate to say this, I would trade Pedro in a second if it meant the Sox got Pavano and Radke for just a little more money. Pedro is on the downswing on his career, and I wouldnt mind at all seeing the Yankees over pay him for too many years if we got those two other guys.

Just remember, while Steinbrenner was the owner, the Yankees were terrible from the end of the 70's until 1995. All his money doesnt always translate into great teams. And when the Yankees did become great again, it wasn't because they spent more money than anyone else, it was because they developed great pitching and had clutch team players. Guys like Tino, and Oneil and Brosious and even Joe Giradi....guys like David Wells and pre-big contract Andy Petite and David Cone....these guys werent superstars, but they all were clutch. Not Brown and Vasquez and Giambi and Contreras (another hugely overpaid supposed superstar who amounted to a pile of crap).

junYUN · #5 11-12-04, 08:39 PM

are you fucking kidding me? are you seriously saying andruw jones is equal to bernie williams? everything you say about baseball has just be negated. andruw jones is THE BEST center fielder in the game bar none, and whether or not you want to believe it, saving a run or two is the same as knocking in a run or two. yeah i would hate to have a gold glove center fielder who hits 35 homers and drives in 100+ runs.

half the league hit 40 homers? give me a break. there were exactly TEN players in the entire major leagues in 2003 that hit 40 homers, giambi hitting 41. if being in the top ten of homers in the ML isn't a big deal, tell me what is.

yes you're right steinbrenner has had the final say the last couple years, and what has it produced? well lets take the last four years for example:

2001 - 95 wins, division title, 13.5 games up on 2nd place sox
2002 - 103 wins, division title, 10.5 games up on 2nd place sox
2003 - 101 wins, division title, 6 games up on 2nd place sox
2004 - 101 wins, division title, 3 games up on 2nd place sox

see a trend here? just because the yankees aren't raking in the world series titles does by no means discount the dominant force they always are in the regular season.

Chutups · #6 11-13-04, 02:11 AM

I agree the Andruw Jones is way better than Bernie Williams, but I wouldn't go to say he is the best CF. Although he is in the upper echelon, I rather have JIm Edmonds and Carlos Beltran over Jones. But I do think he's the best defensive CF in the league.

junYUN · #7 11-13-04, 03:06 AM

yes, thats what i mean, the best center fielder in the game, not the best HITTING center fielder, the best fielding.

jimmytheg · #8 11-13-04, 05:26 AM

What I said was that Andruw Jones was equivilant to bernie williams at the plate, not in the field. So work on your fucking reading comprehension before you flame me. And career wise bernie is on average better than jones in every hitting category except for home runs, so maybe i was wrong...hes not even the equivilant of bernie. Whether you want to believe it or not, there is more to hitting than home runs.

I don't argue that Jones is the best defensive center fielder in the league, but he is most definately NOT the best overall cf. I would much rather have Beltran.

I was obviously kidding about half the league hitting 40 home runs...but Giambi still only hit .250 in 2003, and his future worth has to be questionable....that shouldnt be hard to accept.

And you talk about seeing a trend with those Yankee stats....yes I do see a trend. I see a team that has lost its dominance in the division. I see that their divison lead at the end of the year was smaller every year, even though their win totals were basically the same. I see that the new ownership of the Red Sox has closed the gap. And I also see the regular season dominance as you call it hasnt translated to championships. Which is why they are paper champions...

So what has steinbrenner actually produced? signing overpaid, selfish, bad clubhouse guys, who won't perform when it really matters..... having a horrendously thin starting staff, a bullpen that could only depend on 1 guy in the postseason, and almost no bench players......basically the exact opposite team model than what the championship Yankees were.

junYUN · #9 11-13-04, 04:45 PM

talk about reading comprehension...i AM contradicting the fact that bernie is as good as andruw at the plate. bernie is in the twilight of a great career, and to compare their career stats is fucking retarded (but hey maybe you are) because bernie won't put up anywhere near those numbers anymore.. but jones is still young enough to make strides in his plate numbers. yes i know there is more to hitting than home runs, but i also know that hitting 35 homers and driving in 100 runs, plus playing not just gold glove center field but the best center field in the majors -- makes andruw jones a HUGE player to pickup -- definatly NOT just another over-the-hump-bernie.

also no-one said shit about the red sox not being a good team, we basically stated that the yankees will still be a dominant team. god you red sox fans sure get defensive about the yankees, get the fuck over the last 100 years cry baby. yeah it must suck for the yankees since it's been a massive 4 years since they won the world series...what a shithole.

yes the yankees have plenty of overpaid, selfish players -- but they will still go out and sign at least 2 big names this off-season, have another great season, and get in the playoffs for the ump-teenth time. take a second to pull theo epsteins cock out of your mouth and realize that the bosox arent gods gift to baseball.

GeoffM · #10 11-12-04, 08:40 AM

Thanks for the support.

Trust me people, as much as I'd love to eat my own words, the Yankees will again be the favorite next year after yet another busy off-season, and again they will be the team we all love to hate.

As for that Jones for Brown deal, I think Atlanta must be on drugs or something. What happened to them keeping payroll low for now? Now they are going to trade one of their bright younger stars for a pitcher who I believe will be ineffective next year.

jimmytheg · #11 11-12-04, 09:07 AM

brown only has one year left on his contract, while jones has a long term deal, and the yankees would foot the majority of brown's salary for next year as part of the deal. Hence the Braves reason for doing the deal.

And let's not forget, that at the beginning of last season, the Red Sox were the Vegas favorites to win the division...just like they were at the beginning of the playoff series this year, and as I imagine they will before next year when everything is said and done

GeoffM · #12 11-12-04, 10:57 AM

With the Yankees already having a glut of CFs, I don't see them acquiring Jones when they could just as well go out and get Beltran and keep Brown, even though Brown as I said is on the twilight years. He is still better than what they have.

eddo31 · #13 11-12-04, 11:33 AM

as much as i am a sox fan, i do believe that the yankees will be the favoerite every single year. their money advantage, even over the sox, is so staggering that it is almost insurmountable on a long term mbasis. you can beat them in any given year, but in th elong run they will come out on top.

steinbrenner is really their only weakness. he makes a few too many impulsive moves that tie up a lot of money, and they also lock in inferior players because of the money they make.

i think they will go out and get a good starting pitcher (pavano or radke, mort likely), and make a deal with a big time outfielder. the only reason that they will trade brown is because they dont like his attitude, other than that he did a very good job for them this season, and they need help with their pitching staff.

many of the players that they have on the team are overrated at this stage of their careers. of course, that is what happens when the majority of the free agent signings that you make are of veteran players. i think that all of the small pieces of evidence around giambi suggest that steroids make have played a huge role in his game (weight loss, tumors, significantly worse performance since testing began, etc), and i dont think the he will ever be the same player that he once was.