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08-29-05, 10:30 AM
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I agree with Zy.
If you KNOW for sure you are ahead, you have to pop in as much as possible here. He basically has 2 outs to beat you (not including any possible fluky running cards that would complete a flush or straight). Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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08-29-05, 02:44 PM
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I don't question the decision to call with KK here. My question was related directly to the payout structure.
If there was a tourney where first place paid $100, second place pays $90, and third place pays $30. To me, it's a clear mistake to call even with aces against someone that bust you out - if someone is really short on chips. You have the opportunity to take a massive chip lead by calling...and in most situations will indeed double up. But if you simply fold you can easily finish second and earn another easy $60. However, my payout structure was linear. 1st - $160 2nd - $120 3rd - $80 So with the chip counts at around 14k, 11k for you, and 3.5k for the 3rd place guy....would it be better better +EV to go for moving up a spot than to try to win it all? What difference between prize money and chip counts does it make it a more +EV decision to fold and avoid confrontation with the chip leader? If the payout was non-linear and was stacked towards the winner, it's a no brainer call. Last edited by Windbreaker; 08-29-05 at 02:47 PM. |
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08-29-05, 05:28 PM
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I personally would be playing to win, and would def. call with the KK. The payout structure would have to be alot bigger differnece in steps for me to basically lay down and let the other people get blinded out like you're talking about. I mean it's not like hes guarenteed to get 3rd if u layed this down anyway. He could easily come back other ways too. I think this is def. the best chance to knock him out, move up in money, take the chip lead, and the best play in the long run. I'd do it every chance i had.
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08-30-05, 12:48 AM
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Jinx.
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08-30-05, 12:48 AM
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To actually answer your question Windbreaker unlike everyone else saying "play to win," payout structure affects my play a bit. However, if you look at the odds here, say we are dealing with 5 instances of this same hand:
4 times you are going to win this hand and say 75% of the time after you win this pot you will get 1st instead of second. After all you have a massive chip lead... thats 3 times you are going to make $40 assuming you will make second otherwise. +$120 1 time you will be knocked out -$40 Total:+$80 in the long run You did exactly what you should have done.
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