The Move

[Gordogg]

Sorry. This is NLHE by the way.

[Talking Poker]

I believe this "move" has a name: Check raise

Maybe I'm not following here, but that's what you're saying, right? Check raising the nuts on the turn?

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but I think I just don't understand. This doesn't really seem like much of a move to me. And it's so obvious what you have when you do it, it's not often you'll get paid off. I think a better move is often to just call the turn and then value bet the river. Maybe by then, he'll have a hand good enough that he can call...

[BlibbityBlabbity]

I believe it is a semi-bluff on the flop, followed by a check-raise on the turn....

Both are important plays to know WHEN to use. You have to be "sure" thay will bet on the turn and not re-raise you all in on the flop if they have anything.

[Gordogg]

Not check raise. For instance, say you have AQ spades. You bet pre flop and you get called by one or two players. Flop comes K 7 4 two spades. You bet it hard. All you have is a flush draw. They call your bet. Turn comes another spade. Then you check, they bet into you. Then you reraise big or all in. They either fold or pay you off. It's a good move, deceptive.

[Gordogg]

Blibbity Blabbity has it right. It's a semi bluff. But when you hit you check it, instead of continuing the betting process. I find you get paid off more doing this "move".

[Gordogg]

Well, yes it is check raising the nuts on the turn, but initally you are semi bluffing on the flop. I find this play is profitable because it's hard for them to put you on the nuts when you check raise on the turn. When it's a flush draw.

[Talking Poker]

You are check raising. This is about the surest sign of a monster hand there is. And you are doing so after the third flush card hits the board. How is it hard for them to put you on the flush, when your betting it literally saying, "I just made my flush!"

[junYUN]

considering he thinks this is a revolutionary move... i can safely assume he will be shocked that we think it is obvious

[2Tone]

Is this satire, and I'm just missing the humor?

Put yourself on the opposite end of "the move." Three of the same suit on the board, and your opponent check raises all-in. What the hell do you think he has?

[junYUN]

haha i think i missed that line

[BlibbityBlabbity]

ONLY against a certain type of player. A tight player WILL NOT bet without a flush in that spot. Against them you need to bet out.

I have seen a lot more of the opposite "move" where you overbet when a big hand becomes possible. Amazing how many times (given, this is in chump change ranks) people call with anything when someone goes all in when the board pairs aces on the river. You can almost hear them through the computer saying "He CAN'T have AA or he would never bet that much! I call with my two pair! "

All depends on the type of player you are in the hand with.

[Gordogg]

I agree. But the beauty of the move is they will foldon the flop when you don't have shit yet. Or they will call your move, and when you do hit it on the turn they are more apt to call your raise because it threw them off. If they fold on the turn then oh well. But I think you give y ourself a good shot at winning some chips in that situation by employing the move.

[junYUN]

you think someone is more apt to call a check-raise?

you're making my head hurt

[Talking Poker]

Deceptive? Are you serious? I think this is probably the most obvious way to play this hand. If I'm the guy who bet when the third flush car hit the board and you raise me all in, no way am I calling unless I have a full house draw (2 pair or a set) and the right odds to do so.

Yes, the best on the flop is technically a semi-bluff, but that early in the hand, I wouldn't even think of it like that. I think of that more on the turn when there is only one card to come. This bet is just playing aggressively (this is a good thing, of course).