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10-28-04, 12:26 PM
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i like theory of poker and poker essays much better than hold em for advanced players. i'm not really as interested in worrying about specific situations in these books, but understanding the theoretical background of sklansky and malmuth is very interesting and helpful. \ Sklansky and Malmuth are great writers of theory but from what i've heard not the greatest players. Sklansky is so wrapped around the odds and everything that he would "make a move" in tournaments and is the biggest rock in the world. Some of the greatest players out there have little education and don't know all the probabilities but know people. So what makes a better player? |
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10-28-04, 01:24 PM
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Winning Low limit Hold Em by Lee Jones definatly my favorite.
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10-29-04, 01:22 AM
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you know, i didnt really get a whole lot out of play poker like the pros. it is an interesting book, and i think the section on tournament hold em was good, but i thought that everything else was pretty basic.
if you look at hellmuth's record, im not sure that there is really any reason to take his advice on any game but no limit tournament hold em. |
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10-29-04, 09:34 AM
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Eddo, you are right that Helmuth is the no limit tourney guy.
The problem is there are no "premier" O8B players, IMO. It is very hard to find any book on this that would teach me anything I don't already know, or that I can even find a book about it. I'm not a big fan of buying on line, and I have been to 20 different bookstores and they all have the same books, nothing on O8B. Sucks  .
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10-29-04, 11:17 AM
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i fyou havent checked it out yet, check out ray zee's book on high low split poker. it is divided up between o8b and s8b, and i thought it was pretty good. i too have been searching for a good o8b book, and i think the zee one was much better than hellmuths or ciaffones.
maybe supersystem2 will have a good omaha section. |
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10-29-04, 11:51 AM
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If you were really experienced, it would be a bit basic. However, when I read it, it helped me immensely. It really hammers home the "raise to see where you're at" play and that was missing from my game. If I had JJ and the flop came down K 8 4 and someone bet I would fold a lot or maybe just call, but I was "in the dark" as to what my opponent was holding.
The play helps you know where you stand and takes out some guess work. |
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10-29-04, 12:19 PM
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i play low limits, and the concept of raising to see where you are at isnt really as significant to me. i think that is a concept that is much more important in high limit games where the players are more experienced, and can make sophisticated plays with any variety of cards.
to take your JJ example, in general playing low limits, where there are 4-6 callers preflop every hand, i pretty much know that i am beat on that flop. i might take a card off to try and hit a set, but in general i am not going to put a lot more into the pot. people stick around with way too many Kx hands, and even a king weak kicker will have me in trouble right now. i do think that hi sbook is a good book for beginners, and i am not trying to claim that i am above that book, i just tought that a lot of his tought processes could have been developed further. i still reference the book for nlhe, and for tournament play though. |
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10-29-04, 03:37 PM
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bad beats and lucky draws
I just picked up this book, it has some interesting stories from what i've read so far. About have way through it right now. Alot of phil talking about great reads he made and being outdrawn. A good thing is alot of the stories aren't even about him.
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