Thoughts on Cardinals vs Phillies

[PShabi]

Bullshit. He's trespassing and resisting arrest. Tase away.

[Reel Deal]

Wow, I'm surprised... I thought most of you all would say fuck the cops.

It's funny because my first reaction was, "yeah, tase that stupid punk." But the more I thought about it I just didn't think the force used to stop him matched the threat. I'm still somewhat on the fence. It's an interesting question to think about where is the line where it is OK for the police to use a taser. Should they be free as soon as someone starts to resist or evade arrest? Some people resist but are relatively passive about it, should they get tased? I just think from the video I saw in this case the kids was obviously goofing around and wasn't a threat to anyone, hence a taser is excessive. But, meh, I don't know.

[GTDawg]

When does he become a threat? When he gets within 30 feet of a player? When he gets within 20 feet? When he is within an arm's length? After he tackles a player? I am perfectly ok with not playing this "what if" game after another player/coach/umpire is attacked.

Looking at the situation NOW, yes he seems to be a drunk kid that is screwing around because he wants to be an attention whore. At the time, I am really not sure how people can just say "well, he's just goofing around"....how do you tell?

He is knowingly breaking the law by trespassing. And, I'm going to assume that there were repeated warnings that he disobeyed and ignored.

After the Tom Gamboa and Laz Diaz attacks, I have no sympathy for someone just goofing around by running on the field.

And, I look at it like Shabi. He's knowingly breaking the law and resisting efforts to detain him. In any other location known to man, the cops would not be nearly as forgiving. But, for whatever reason, people are allowed to act like goofballs as long as they aren't hurting anyone even though they are trespassing and resisting arrest.

[Talking Poker]

I'm fine with it. He clearly knew what he was doing was illegal (he actually called his Dad and asked permission before doing it, telling him it was a once in a lifetime opportunity) and he was resisting arrest. Tase away.

That said, I think the rules should be different during rain delays when there are no players on the field. Let the guy slip and slide into every base on the tarp and then tackle him at home. No need for tasering there.

[melioris]

I'm with RD on this one and think it is pretty clear cut for basically all the reasons RD said.

The only thing I will add is that I think we are all allowing the area between acceptable behavior and use of force to ensure "public safety" to get awfully small and this is a great example. It is a fucking baseball stadium. The entire point of that building is to distract 30-60K people with a sporting event while getting them to spent as much money as possible on food and drink. There should be some thought and effort put into encouraging fans to behave responsibly without using force, as clearly in our society a lot of stupid cunts are going to try shit like this.

Frankly, it is a negligent business model if the idea is fleece the sheep and tase them if they don't follow the rules.

[Reel Deal]

So, for the guys in the "tase the bitch" camp, are you in favor of it because (a) you think the force matches the threat, (b) you think it will act as a deterrent, or (c) fuck him, he knowingly broke the law and should therefore expect to have volts shot through his body?

[JDMcNugent7]

C for sure. but if it's some big ass dude that could actually do some damage, or a group of people, it could be A or B too. Haven't you seen the video of 3 people jumping out the stands and beating up I think Chicagos first base coach?. In this spot it's fuck him, he's being a dumbass and breaking the law, wtf did he expect to happen

[Talking Poker]

Mostly B for me.

But back to the real question this thread's title poses: My thought are the Phils are up 2-0 and Halliday will complete the sweep tomorrow afternoon.