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10-25-04, 07:21 PM
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I thought Arieh completely lost his mind under the pressure in that hand with Demitriou. Mattias Anderson was simply annoying as hell with his over the top reactions to knocking people out. Finally, I like watching Murphy play but how do you oversleep when you are the chip leader??
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10-25-04, 08:52 PM
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i find this somewhat amusing. the idea that the image of poker could possibly be tarnished by any of these events anyways seems ludicrous.
i didnt realize that poker all of the sudden had a clean image because it was popular on espn and the travel channel. |
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10-25-04, 09:03 PM
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I've read some pro's saying he is a good guy away from the table, and that he just let his emotions get the best of him. If I was in his position at the final table I would have been pissed to at Raymer. Raymer won alot of big hands when he was the underdog and got lucky. I personally think Josh is a putz. But I constantly belittle other people at the table if there pissing me off. Besides ESPN could make anyone look like a ass with enough editing.
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10-25-04, 09:16 PM
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hell, i think with the proper editing, espn could make it look like i won the tournament this year. and i didnt even come close to playing.
although i said earlier that i dont think that poker really has a clean image to uphold, i do think that raymer seemed like a class act. arieh did come off as a complete ass, but he did at least post an apology online when he saw how he came off on tv. |
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10-25-04, 10:49 PM
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Of course things are eidted and there is a biased view, but what you saw actually happened and theres know denying that. Raymer came off as a man with class because he is, and well, the others that came off as "bad", they showed the unecessary and of course ESPN is going to cash off of that.
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10-25-04, 11:12 PM
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Alot of people watched the WSOP on TV this year. They see people shouting, jumping up, being total pricks, showing no class, rubbing players faces in big loses and think wow cool I will do that.
WSOP 2005 - 1000 clones all acting like a brat, becasue they can and nothing was done about it. |
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10-26-04, 11:32 AM
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and that makes it ok because contact sports conduct themselves in such a manner?
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10-26-04, 11:34 AM
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My dad said Arieh was a d!ckhead.
I saw him when he said he was the best player at the table. I'm glad he thought he was, shows confidence. But he wasn't kidding anyone but himself. It's like someone saying they grow the best pot in the world, when everyone knows my avatar is the man  .
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10-25-04, 08:58 PM
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Good post Taja. I agree with you...
Raymer is a GREAT example of a champion. He acted with class from beginning to end. A lot of people think he was underserving, and of course he got lucky throughout the tournament (you HAVE to to win that one!), but I thought he played very well and was a class act.... just like I'm gonna be when I'm world champion. |
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#12
10-26-04, 12:03 PM
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Raymer showed class, but in my opinion, was kissing a little too much ass. It got sick after a while. Also, if you watched the tournament of champions, it proved to me that Raymer got very, very lucky in the WSOP main event. He played horribly at the TOC. How do you call an all in bet preflop with 89os and you're stack isn't that small?
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#13
10-26-04, 12:20 PM
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Nothing to talk about????
Sorry to say it guys but I got interested in poker because of all these guys. I loved Han Lee when he would say "I call you, I told you I call you". Poker is nice, but I don't think I could stand a tournament where everyone is quiet and has a poker face. I remember when I started liking Tennis; it was because of John Mcanroe. Most of the sports we enjoy because of how much they throw it in their face to the other team. I did feel that Josh overdid it, but Matias was just perfect. If anyone wants to critizise Josh, then critisize Phil because he still surpases Josh by a mile in how cocky he is. Ofcourse that does not diminish how great he is but were talking about attitude. To me, if the rules permits it, then is all good; Hope to see more Matias Andersons.
P.S. I think ESPN did a number on Josh just for the ratings. |
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10-26-04, 01:02 PM
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i think that this is the problem here. a lot of people get sucked into the game because of the personalities, love em or hate em. but after you begin to get a better understanding of the game, or you become more serious about playing the game, the personalities can become a distraction. i think that espn very selectively edits their footage in order to make easily definable good guys and bad guys at the world series, but we also have to remember that Arieh, etc actually said the stuff we saw on tv. they didnt make that up. |
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10-26-04, 06:34 PM
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If your looking at poker to entertain you, then Josh and the other idiots are fine. It does make good TV for sure and the rating's will increase.
But if your a serious player who plays live events you would think the same as me. I have seen a few mouthy brats get slapped for ALOT less in England and they aint been back. Ask the players what they prefer, what environment they would like to play high stakes poker in? All the best players are calm, take the beats, handle the pressure and show class. (There is only Helmouth who is an expection and hes a freak of nature). A prime example of this was when the WPT came to Paris this year, the American Pro's loved the atmosphere, the respect showed to each other. When Tony G (A famous Aussie poker player with an ego and mouth the size of sydney) starting talking the talk, everyone got pissed and teamed him. I have never seen the Proffessor so mad! Yes it was funny to watch on TV, but really did nothing for the game, the event or the atmosphere in general. |
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#16
10-26-04, 10:29 PM
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I think these Pesky Poker players are a small price to pay for being in the WSOP. If these players affect your play, then maybe poker is not for you. The most these poker players have is a loaded mouth and not a loaded gun like the old west. Television has made this game popular and the pesky guys are part of the equation. There are still some gaming rooms where there are quiet and respectable players but just a celebrities, poker stars are having to be part of the melodrama. A walkman is recommended for those wanting a little more peace.
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