Kopp's Big Hand With Moon

[Reel Deal]

Yeah, he's the big dude wearing the Saints cap.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

They showed Moon bluffing a couple of times PF, but never getting out of line at all postflop (beyond a continuation).

I think given the hands he has shown up with the CR by Moon is the end of the hand. No way he doesn't have the flush beat. If he had a 2, given his play in some other hands he either bets out or C/Cs.

I think a call on the turn would have been better given the paired board, crappy flush, and situation in the Main Event with 2 big stacks. Moon doesn't want to bluff much of his huge stack here either.

Crazy, man....Crazy!

[Reel Deal]

What's Kopp's background? Is he a pro?

[Zybomb]

I think he's a 6th year college student who plays a lot of cards, so classify him however

[Windbreaker]

Billy Kopp is a pro....he's patrolman35 on stars and DurangoDan35 on tilt.

[GTDawg]

If he had this and decided NOT to raise the flop isn't raising the turn kinda weird

I guess I'm just unsure of what hands would re-raise preflop (AA, KK, QQ, JJ?, TT?) vs just smooth calling. Then if Moon had one diamond, JJ or TT wouldn't bet out on that flop, right?

Of course, I dunno if TT or JJ (with a diamond) would re-raise the turn.

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Can't do that, we have 12.6 left and he's made it 6 mill, we could baby raise then fold but i just don't see the point of putting 2/3 our stack in then folding

If he (Kopp) calls the turn and the river is a blank, how does it play out? Moon has to bet the blank, right? So we fold to that (I'm assuming a simple call leaves us too low)? Man...I don't know if I can do that.
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I realize we have a flush -- but if Moon shoves the river what exactly do we beat?

Short of Moon open shoving, people still fold to a river blank?

[Talking Poker]

I actually think looking at this from Moon's side is more interesting. I mean, Kopps turn 3 bet shove bluff (and that's all that it was - less than 1% of the time he's getting a worse hand to call, and I think I'm being generous with that) was stupid. People make mistakes, and this was a biggie.

But look at this from Moon's side, sitting on 25 million chips to start the hand, flopping the 3rd nuts and then the board pairing on the turn. Assuming played as is preflop, then check/calling the flop and check raising the turn (all of which I think is fine), you've basically put what, 8 million of your stack in and have around 17 million behind. When Kopp 3 bet shoves there, I'd have to seriously consider laying it down.

I mean, Kopp's line is showing enormous strength. It's a stupid (well, reckless) bluff, as we've already said, so the majority of the time, he's going to have a very big hand. I think FH + better flush makes up a pretty huge part of his range, with semi-bluffing and value-shoving with worse making up much, much less of it.

The correct play may be to call the 12 million or so chip raise, but given everything, right there in that moment, I think I might have folded. I absolutely would have thought about it for a few minutes though - I know that much.

It's hard to say, but given the information we have, I think I would have folded.

[GTDawg]

The check/raise from would've gotten my attention, but I think I would've put Moon on a big pocket pair with a large diamond.

Would a re-raise just be ridiculously stupid pot control?

I mean, I think spewing $19m in chips with a 5-high flush may be silliness...but he did have a flush six-handed. That's gotta be the best hand 90% of the time.

Considering they were both huge chip leaders, I am not sure if re-raising Moon (obv something less than all-in) would've accomplished anything. If Moon comes back, then I'd guess we'd be folding or shoving...and if he just calls, then we are making the same decisions on the river.

In the situation, I'm guessing bet and then call is the most proper play since the final table is so close...but I think I would've come back with something stupid that got me pot committed if Moon re-raised again (or I would've had to do something silly on the river that got me committed).

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If the river is a blank (doesn't pair the board again, no diamond), is there anybody that doesn't bust out?

If the river is a diamond (or maybe even paint), I might be able to find a way to lay down to a possible boat or something....but I'm pretty sure I bust out on this hand.

[Wes]

If I was playing well the turn is probably a fold unless Kopp had some dynamic that would make Moon play back at him. This line is just so rarely taken as a bluff and there are not a whole lot of 2x hands a person should have here.

[Zybomb]

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