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09-15-09, 12:50 PM
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Wow.... now that i see the video I dunno if thats a muck or not.... he pushed his cards forward but the dealer grabbed them, almost stopping them from going into the muck and tabled them for him.....now obv a dealer shouldnt table your cards but i dunno if that changes anything....
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09-15-09, 01:01 PM
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Exactly. The dealer was out of line, but IMO, he stopped the mucking and tabled the cards.
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09-15-09, 01:47 PM
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I think the ruling was fair. Like there's absolutely no reason for Roland not to table his hand. Everyone's been caught bluffing before...so it's not like OMG so embarassing type moment. Once Roland places his hand into the muck...the hand is dead and the pot should be rewarded to the other player.
I really don't think you can call the other player out for angleshooting. I believe on 2+2, the player wrote, that he has seen Roland quickly muck when caught bluffing before. It's totally in his right to just wait for Roland to show his hand. It might be bad etiquette if he had the nuts and I wouldn't ever recommend doing that, but to ask Roland to show his hand first is totally within the rules. It was stupid for him to show his hand. Like there was a risk of losing a pot that was his, and no risk of losing it if he just mucked. |
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09-15-09, 03:25 PM
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Thanks for posting the video Spuddy. Now that I've seen the actual action I think the correct ruling was made. As soon as De Wolfe slid his hand to the point where it touches the muck, that's it, his hand is mucked and what the dealer did thereafter is really irrelevant. Having said that, I do think the other guy is a douche... shit, they're both douches.
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09-15-09, 03:53 PM
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did the guy that won Have to show his hand?
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09-15-09, 04:22 PM
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One thing I noticed in this video is that the table has the line around it - assuming that, like most, this is the betting line. Does the same rule apply to cards as well? If cards cross it they are considered dead?
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09-15-09, 04:24 PM
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Wow
Video adds a lot. And I award ... Kicks in the nuts all the way around! In an extraordinary set of circumstances, both players AND the dealer were in the wrong.
De Wolfe should have tabled both cards. (Obv) Dealer should not have tried to physically prevent De Wolfe from mucking prematurely (Wtf?) Reinkemeier (whose name I screwed up in my last post) would have been classier had he not pounded the table in victory after winning the pot with the worst hand. I suspect pot should still go to Reinkemeier. Cards were retrievable, but it sure seemed he had surrendered the hand.
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09-15-09, 01:00 PM
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While I agree that Roland was stupid to try to muck his hand and should have lost because of it, I am still
 that the other guy CALLED a bet with Q high and then completely angleshooted Roland into mucking after seeing that he had the winning hand. He even triumphantly pounds the table after tabling his Q high, insisting that Roland's hand was dead.Watch the video. It's pretty messed up. I mean, the dealer even technically stops Roland from mucking, but his cards did just barely touch the burn cards. I dunno... because of what the dealer did (which was inappropriate, but that is another discussion), I think I would have declared Roland's hand live and awarded him the pot. But seriously, how stupid is Roland for not turning over BOTH of his hole cards and only the king. WTF - Is this his first live tourney? 
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