Opinions on a live ruling/situation (EPT Barcelona)

[jillaj]

Roland is an idiot and this respect the game angle is bullshit. Its not like the other guy misrepresented his hand. Respect the game by not being a dumbass. When you get to showdown why would you ever muck your hand before you knew what your opponent had? To me that alone makes me think Roland deserves to lose the pot no matter what the actual correct ruling should be. I also think bunting when the guy has a no hitter going is fine as well.

[Invigilator]

Roland made a very dumb mistake. He got called and had to show.

IF he had just shown it as normal, that would be the best hand unless someone could show something better. Instead he flashes and mucks.

Mucking before he saw what the other guy had was unfortunate error, but he did it. Tough luck Roland.

[GTDawg]

I read the last few paragraphs of that article a few times to make sure I understood correctly.

Guy #1 gets called by Guy #2. Guy #1 proceeds to be a little bitch and play that "you show first" game even though, by rule, he must show his cards. Guy #1 shows one card and then mucks because he figures that he lost. Guy #2 sees that Guy #1 mucked his hand and shows his cards (which are worse). Guy #1 freaks and grabs his cards after he mucked them to show both cards and try to win the hand.

The author then rails on Guy #2 for being disingenuous and trying to subvert the rules. Seriously?

If you are called by an opponent, show your hand. Don't sit there and waste time. I have had people do that in games against me and it is, by far, the number one thing I hate most at the poker table. You were called, show your hand. I didn't call you to have you muck and let me win anyway. And, to win, show both cards.

If I called my opponent and he showed one card while he mucked his hand...I damn well would expect to win that hand. The other guy mucked.

[melioris]

qft.

[2Tone]

Roland, who as a professional poker player, made a very foolish mistake. As for any questions of ethics, I don't see how that applies here. In fact, from the write-up De Wolfe specifically told him to show his hand, but instead Roland folded.

What more do you want De Wolfe to do?

[de-coder]

There's a bet and a call with all the action complete - show your hand or muck. This "you show first" crap is silly and a waste of time - the clock is ticking while that's going on, and if I'm at the table (in a tournament more than cash game) I'm pissed at these morons.

Also, if you muck your hand you're done and should be done - no one should allow you to pull your cards out of the muck, even if it seems they're clearly identifiable - mucked is mucked.

[jillaj]

Lets see table his hand or maybe just maybe wait to muck till he sees his opponents cards or his opponent mucks?

[Wes]

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