skype call

[Reel Deal]

As a lawyer, I do know that they could freeze anyone's account for pretty much any reason and there'd be very little we could do about it. So, I don't understand your point as our (U.S.) legal standards for burdens of proof have little to do with an off-shore poker site that can set its own rules including burdens of proof. My point is that it would be hard for the sites to know whether or not these people are discussing a hand while it's happening so I don't know how they would police this other than an outright ban.

Don't lecture the professor on legal theories. That's just silly.

[Talking Poker]

I think you are missing my point.

Given what you just said, why aren't you worried about the freezing your account until you prove that no one is sitting next to you when you play, or that your wife never plays on your account, or that you're not on Skype talking to someone while you play?

All I was saying is there would be no reason for Brian to prove his innocence if no one suspects he's doing anything wrong - and if he ISN'T doing anything wrong (not colluding, for example), I don't know why anyone (read: Stars) would ever suspect anything.

[Reel Deal]

This is why:

I just don't see why having 6-7 people in your ear giving you advice during a tournament should be allowed or accepted.

[stormswa]

between hands you can talk about whatever you want and like I have said what like 15 times now. Its not people giving advice to others during hands, Its the person that is deep telling people what they have and how they are playing it so others can learn. We hand 2 TPF'ers on last night but no one went deep enough to give any insight into there play. I cashed the $11 and explained a couple plays I was doing but at not time did I ask anyone to help me out in a play of a hand and I would never. All the players on that skype call are good and respected players throughout the poker community.

there is like 7 people on the line there is no way you could get advice in the limited time you have in the hand, but afterwards is when you get the advice. Expecially if you just busted, you can ask if the shove was correct or not.

most of the time we are making stupid sidebet's anyway, I just see nothing wrong with talking about hands in real time between hands.

[Akverno]

What's the point of being on Skype to discuss hands immediately after playing them? How much in depth strategy and discussion can go on in the few moments in between hands? Will the brief discussion lead into someone adjusting their play?

My guess is a video of the tournament (with uninteresting hands edited out) would be much more beneficial than to "ghost" someone. A video combined with in depth discussions about key hands would probably be a hell of a lot better than "ghosting" someone.

If you're honestly not discussing the hand as it is being played out what could possibly be the point (unless this is people just looking for groupies?)

Or maybe I don't understand the benefit.

[stormswa]

omg there is a huge benefit from ghosting a good player deep in a tourney, to hear what he is thinking during a hand. Hands are being discussed but they are not being discussed like RD says. No one is telling the guy playing what to do, the guy playing it telling everyone what he is doing and why.

example: Deep in a tourney guy opens on button.
Player: Im going to 3bet shove him here, this is the 3rd time in a row he has open raised. I have a perfect reshoving stack of 19bb and he has to have a very big hand to call me. If he folds I will pick up 5bb which would be about a 25% gain to my stack. If he calls I figure to be no worse then 40/60 dog with a chance of gaining a lot of chips.

its still 1 player per hand, no one is helping him play it, he is just giving us his thought process. This is what most online coachs do with their students. Its much nicer to do it this way then go through hundreds of HH files to help them, plus its also a great group of people to sit around and chat with.

as for talking about hands between them, a player can ask if we thought that shove was +EV and we can discuss it as a group of players why.

For instance we had this hand come up other night, player folded and said im not sure if that was a good fold or I should shove or raise. We spent about 10 minutes discussing the value in raising vs shoving there, some players thought raise/calling was good while others disagreed and though open shoving was only thing you could do. We spent about 20 minutes discussing it, that is same thing that happens in HA here but we get everyones opinions right away instead of waiting days for everyone to post.

[MAYHEM45]

tourneys take lots of skill imo.