Weak or not Weak?

Talking Poker · #1 02-01-05, 06:20 PM

It is NEVER a good idea to bet the river with me. I always have you beat!!!

In all seriousness, I am a HUGE fan of the check and call here. I really am going to write that atrticle one of these days to explain it.........

2Tone · #2 02-03-05, 12:08 AM

Here's one of the reasons I don't like multitableling. If I play a single table, and have a feel for my opponent, that will make a big difference on whether I bet it or not. At Party 2/4, I assume that the results will be the first or third option, and bet unless the player in question has shown himself to be crafty and/or tight. In B&M 3/6, I'm much more likely to check/call.

Talking Poker · #3 02-03-05, 12:39 AM

I believe by betting here, as opposed to checking and calling, you are costing yourself money.

Simply put...

If you bet:
If he has nothing, he folds. You win 0 more bets.
If he has you beat, he raises, you call, and you lose 2 bets.

If you check:
If he has nothing, he might fold (no difference than above), but he may bluff at it, winning you 1 extra bet.
If he has you beat, he bets, you call, and you lose 1 bet, as opposed to the 2 above.

The only way betting is a more profitable play is when you bet and he calls with a hand weaker than your top pair. I believe this will happen far less often than the other scenarios above that earn you (or save you) one more bet.

That's the check and call in a nutshell.

Zybomb · #4 02-13-05, 03:24 PM

This situation would change completely, in a NL game, or depending on your position. If you have fired twice and received two calls, and your opponent checks again on the river, a check back is obvious with TP. More than likely your opponent would of check called the flop then check raised the turn with a big hand, but you never know. The problem if you are the first to bet in a NL game, and you have fired twice and received two calls and then check the river, is this shows weakness. It may entice your opponent to make a substaintial bet...of course now what it depends on is have any of the potential draws hit, pre flop action, and the hand you have originally put him on... is 2 pair a realistic hand based on the preflop action? Would an opponent slow play 2 pair all the way to the river (i/e what draws were out there), did any of the drawing hands hit? Is this opponent likely to call to the river with 2nd pair (or a PP under top pair). There are a lot of things to consider, which makes me think there is not one right or wrong answer, it depends on the situation

Oh yea, just joined the forum, so whats up everyone

tazmision89 · #5 02-14-05, 07:43 PM

Ditto!

Depends on what happened pre-flop, flop and turn.

SirFWALGMan · #6 02-17-05, 11:48 AM

I think checking the river applies even more so in NL. I had position on a guy with AA. I 3x pre-flop and like 4 people are in. The flop is K3x, so I throw out a bet. The next card is a low card. He bets, I call. The river makes a possible flush, he checks. I think I am beat, and I am pretty sure he is not going to fold if I put a big bet in. So I check. It turns out he had K3 and flopped two pair on me. Oh well. What can you do about that? So TPTK is definatly a good check on the river in NL I would think.. unless you are pure bluffing..

Zybomb · #7 02-18-05, 12:30 AM

I was saying when you have position, a check back is obvious with TP (especially without top kicker), however if you are first to act it changes everything. If you have fired twice and received two calls, a check could be dangerous, because it shows weakness and may entice your opponent to make a large bet into the bet (with or without anything) then you are faced with a tough decision. As always it depends on the the action through out the hand, and what the board shows.