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03-17-07, 08:52 PM
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I'll reply to your other post later - only have a sec now.
It stuns me that you're still not able to wrap your head around this. Your point of "it could have been the same flop" is perfectly valid... but come on. What's more likely: That a continuously shuffled deck would deal the EXACT same board cards, resulting in the scenario above, or that the same continuously shuffled deck would deal DIFFERENT board cards, making any statements along the line of "Glad I folded this" completely moot? I know your answer will be that I can't PROVE that the flop would have been different (despite the verifiable mathematics behind it), or more likely that you think it's silly to even think about it this - but I don't get that, since in reality, it's just math. But whatever. If you are more comfortable thinking that a continuously shuffled deck isn't actually changing as it's being shuffled, that's fine, but at least admit that you understand that that's not the case. |
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03-17-07, 10:39 PM
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But it's ok to say, "this would have stung," when it would have been a completely different hand?
I don't get it. These two concepts are mutually exclusive - either the cards are in a preset order (live poker) or they are not (online continuous shuffle) - and a few of you guys seem to want to pick and choose when to think they are and when they are not. |
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03-17-07, 09:22 PM
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I think it's being worried about something that doesn't matter. In the end, you are being results oriented because the deck didn't end up how you wanted it to or whatever.
It's still a random shuffle of the deck. The odds are still the same as they were before.
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03-17-07, 10:38 PM
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1. Why do you think I am worried?
2. How exactly do you think I "wanted" this hand to end up? What it comes down to is this: is NOT true, based on the fundamental rules that online poker sites use for shuffling the deck. Dumbfounded. |
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03-17-07, 09:46 PM
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I never said I didn't understand what you guys were saying.
I just don't think it matters as much as you guys think it matters. ================== To add...I think the following is the fundamental difference in how we are going to view this... Random is random is random. A random shuffle of the deck is the same as the last random shuffle of the deck is the same as the next random shuffle of the deck. It doesn't change the odds of what card is coming next.
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03-17-07, 10:17 PM
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You cant possibly be suggesting that there is an equal chance of this hand being flopped as it not being flopped right?
If you're not that the title of this post "damn glad i folded this one" is pointless, since he (in all liklihood like 1:1000000000) wouldnt have flopped this if he called
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03-17-07, 10:23 PM
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I'm saying that worrying about what would've happened if he had called is stupid because he didn't call. Either way.
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03-17-07, 10:42 PM
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Who is worried? No one here is worried.
I simply pointed out flawed logic in the OP (a great example that relates back to our original discussion on this), and you did your usual jump down my throat, trying to accuse me of something that is absolutely not true. I get it. I'm not worried about it. And I understand that random is random. But I also understand what "continuous shuffle" means, and I believe that you do not. |
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03-17-07, 10:46 PM
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Dude...what the hell?
You take such a defensive stance when you start a discussion. I'm not jumping down your throat... I said just a second ago that it was silly to say either side because it didn't happen. Also, a continuous shuffle doesn't change the odds of what cards come out. Each card has the same chance of coming out either way. And, again...if you are not worried about it...you spend an awful lot of time talking about it. It's like the eejit thing from a while ago...if it doesn't bother you, then why spend so much time talking about?
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03-17-07, 10:55 PM
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And, I can't begin to say how hurt I am by that statement. Partly because it is hard to convey tone through the internet so I can only base my understanding of what you think about by what is posted on here and partly because I wanna be a guy in his (early 30s? i dunno...just guessing here) that lives in Florida and plays poker for a living and sits in his hot tub after really tough days.
===== Of course, I think you made a fundamental flaw in getting a pinball machine instead of the classic Galaga/Pacman machine
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