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12-28-04, 05:58 PM
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how exactly do they know if someone is counting cards - i know the theory behind counting cards but how does the casino company know a counter from someone who is just being lucky
he doesnt nod his head when hes counting does he - lol 
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12-28-04, 06:05 PM
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i think that they just watch very closely. obviously they dont see anyone counting the cards specifically, but what they do see is how the player varies his bets as you progress through the shoe. i would assume that if they see you increase your bet significantly in some sort of pattern, they will bar you for counting cards.
of course, there are ways around this, but most people who try to count cards really do not swing the game into their advantage because they do not know how to adjust their bet without getting labelled a counter. |
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#3
12-28-04, 07:38 PM
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More on card counting
We are a little off-topic, and might want to start a new thread ...
Card counting is actually not that complex, though I am unable to do it (one cocktail waitress bends over, and I've lost the count.) The problem is that until the count swings very high, your edge is not that great. My buddy was playing a $25 table, and treading water, when all of a sudden, they did a new shoe, and the count just happened to skyrocket in his favor. He started betting $500 a hand, and made his 7 grand pretty quick. Count fell back to earth, and so did his betting. He might as well have been holding a neon sign as to what he was doing. The definitive card counting story is "Bringing Down the House" about the MIT syndicate who took Vegas for millions. It's a great read. |
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12-28-04, 11:18 PM
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that is pretty much a telltale sign of an amateur card counter, they move their bet between the table min and max, but never in between. it is just far too obvious that they are counting.
i know one of the people that was in a bj team at MIT, and he has some great stories about team play all over the world. very cool stuff, but some of it would make you shit your pants in fear. |
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12-29-04, 12:23 AM
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one of the good stories revolves around how you actually get the money to the casinos . because it is illegal under US law to fly with more than 10k on you (i believe that this is part of the war on drugs, or something asinine like that), the players had to come up with a creative way to get the money to vegas. so what tey often did was strap 50k to their chest with tape, and then bundle up to disguise their extra bulk. he said that going through customs with that money so conspicuously taped there was nerve wracking, just because the consequences from the us govt are reasonably severe.
his other stories revolve around getting backroomed, particularly when they were think out of the country. they are fairly similar to what is talked about in bringing the down the house, so i wont repeat them here, but the idea of being in some quasi-regulated costa rican casino and getting nailed by the griffin guys, who flew there specifically in pursuit of you is pretty serious. |
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12-29-04, 01:09 AM
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This is a great thread.
BTW... my take on card counting - I think it's a shame that casinos won't allow (much of) this, but I certainly don't blame them. They are in business to make money, and by allowing card counting... well, that would be bad business. It's great that there is a way for smart people to beat a game (until they are noticed), but I understand that casinos can bar anyone from playing anything for any reason. They are private establishments, and that is their right. |
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