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12-28-04, 05:58 PM
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I'm not so sure ...
I'm sure it varies, but as a whole, I imagine security is pretty damn tight.
A friend of mine is a pretty good card counter. One trip he overdid it at Mirage, and made $7g before they made him quit. Two years later, with different color hair, he sat down at an MGM blackjack table, and not 10 minutes went by before the pit boss told him he needed to cash out. The good news is he is still welcome to play Craps/Poker or any other game other than blackjack. |
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12-28-04, 06:09 PM
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i think that the casinos have a much higher interest in blackjack players, just because the strategies for beating the game are so well known. also, i dont doubt that the casinos have the ability to watch you, it is just that there is so much going on that they cant possibly watch everyone at once. i think that is really a myth propagated by the casino industry in their shows on the travel channel.
plus, the hair color isnt exactly th best disguise around. |
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12-28-04, 06:24 PM
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That's actually a pretty sweet story. Does anyone else find it at least a little fucked up that casinos can do this? I mean if you're going to open a casino ie a place built solely for gambling, doesn't it stand to reason that you should have to gamble yourself when that 1% of your visitors finds a way to turn the odds around into their favor, especially when its only done in one single game. I can understand where they're coming from, but I just think its messed up that they can say that you can't play their games unless the odds are in their favor. Just sounds like the annoying kid you used to know in elementary school to me.
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12-28-04, 06:30 PM
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it is annoying that the casinos frown on legal activities like card counting. so few people can actually count cards well enough to give them a real edge over the house that it is really an insignificant concern for them. i dont think that you should be allowed to use a team approach to bj, but if a single person wants to count cards then it should be allowed.
i believe that george maloof, the owner of the palms, said that he doesnt care if anyone counts cards there. it provides good advertising for th ecasino, and the economic impact is so minimal that he will overlook it. additionally, they cant bar you from counting cards in atlantic city, but they combat the counters by restricting the maximum bet size for you. |
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12-28-04, 06:58 PM
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how exactly do they know if someone is counting cards - i know the theory behind counting cards but how does the casino company know a counter from someone who is just being lucky
he doesnt nod his head when hes counting does he - lol 
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12-28-04, 07:05 PM
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i think that they just watch very closely. obviously they dont see anyone counting the cards specifically, but what they do see is how the player varies his bets as you progress through the shoe. i would assume that if they see you increase your bet significantly in some sort of pattern, they will bar you for counting cards.
of course, there are ways around this, but most people who try to count cards really do not swing the game into their advantage because they do not know how to adjust their bet without getting labelled a counter. |
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12-28-04, 08:38 PM
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More on card counting
We are a little off-topic, and might want to start a new thread ...
Card counting is actually not that complex, though I am unable to do it (one cocktail waitress bends over, and I've lost the count.) The problem is that until the count swings very high, your edge is not that great. My buddy was playing a $25 table, and treading water, when all of a sudden, they did a new shoe, and the count just happened to skyrocket in his favor. He started betting $500 a hand, and made his 7 grand pretty quick. Count fell back to earth, and so did his betting. He might as well have been holding a neon sign as to what he was doing. The definitive card counting story is "Bringing Down the House" about the MIT syndicate who took Vegas for millions. It's a great read. |
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12-29-04, 12:18 AM
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that is pretty much a telltale sign of an amateur card counter, they move their bet between the table min and max, but never in between. it is just far too obvious that they are counting.
i know one of the people that was in a bj team at MIT, and he has some great stories about team play all over the world. very cool stuff, but some of it would make you shit your pants in fear. |
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