Ethics Question

[Zybomb]

I agree with GTDawg the entire way here

[melioris]

This is an interesting discussion. What I have learned most is that you all suck at making analogies.

Seriously though, while live poker and internet poker are different beast entirely, there is a direct comparison that no one has mentioned yet. Back in the WSOP a couple of years ago there was a famous hand between Howard Lederer and somebody else. The hand had lots of action and the nameless one shoves (on the river I think) and then pulls his shirt over his head. Everyone laughs, but the guy stays that way until Lederer folds. As I remember fuckface’s hiding was not considered unethical, and I would think that hiding during a major hand in a live game a farther deviation from the spirit of the game than using a different account on the internet.

[Dodoubled]

Ha! Surely, you jest.

ETHICS:ONLINE POKER::

A.) WHITE:RICE
B.) STINK:SHIT
C.) POPE:CATHOLIC
D.) DODOUBLED:GETTING LAID TONIGHT

STOP!
PLEASE PUT YOUR NO. 2 PENCIL DOWN, CLOSE YOUR TEST BOOKS AND WAIT FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTION FROM YOUR PROCTOR.

[melioris]

knows the answer

[Dodoubled]

I guessed the right one. Do I get a cookie?

[melioris]

you win DoD. I see now I should have gone with an Airplane! quote about calling me Shirley.

[GTDawg]

Roger, Roger

[Talking Poker]

Catchy tune. I'll be singing that all day fo sho...

[drewjax]

I remember this vividly. The funny thing is, that NAMELESS guy, (and I think he was basically a nameless guy at the time), has now turned into Cowboy Kenna James. A pretty decent player, and he has even been a commentator on several poker shows.
As for the subject at hand, its tough to say. Like with this Kenna James thing, (pulling jacket over head), or Phil Laak doing the same thing. There are no RULES against it, but many feel its just not right. I know that Negreanu hates this BS. He can often get on his soapbox, but he has a good point. Where do you draw the line? He asks the question that if all this is LEGAL, what would stop someone from literally bringing a box, and sitting in it while playing (maybe with little holes for his arms to push chips etc. lol danger Will Robinson)? Is that cool?
Also, I dont use them, but what about all these programs, like PT, HUDace, etc. TP and others have said they draw the line if the sites allow them (and I basically agree with that premise). But correct me if I'm wrong, but dont some sites TECHNICALLY not allow datamining? I am pretty sure this is the case. That is why some of these other programs/add-ons have popped up, to allow players to datamine when its not SUPPOSED to be happening. Another example is using information from sites like SharkScope. Again, I am pretty sure that Stars (and other sites) say that datamining in this fasion is not allowed. But the info is out there. So is it unethical for someone to buyin to a sng or mtt, and look up someones stats on sharkscope or the pokerdb? Well I think techinically it is not allowed by the site so it should be considered unethical. BUT, if everyone else is doing it, wtf right. You are putting yourself at a disadvantage by not using all the info.

I would love to play in an online world where we all had one ID. I think that is the most ethical way to do it. I think that to switch your ID is a BIT unethical. But again, if everyone else is doing it..............

With all of this babbling I think the answer is clear..There is no right answer either way.

[JDMcNugent7]

agreed. very few of these make good sense. does everyone understand the definition of ethical?

[Zybomb]

pertaining to or dealing with morals or the principles of morality; pertaining to right and wrong in conduct.

[Boobie Lover]

Here's a on this exact topic.

[Talking Poker]

At a glance (and only a glance), I think we are having a much better conversation here. 2+2 is great when you need info on something fast, but my God - I don't know how people can wade through all the crap for any of the more popular topics.

[Dodoubled]

That's exactly what makes this such an entertaining thread. Our friend Noah Webster has used a black-and-white definition to describe something that's anything but. Everyone's sense of morality (or in plainer terms, right and wrong), differs in some way.

Don't forget, there are plenty of extremists out there who think poker -- and gambling in general -- is unethical, thereby making this discussion moot (at least in their eyes).

[GTDawg]

Which ones don't make sense?

[Zybomb]

Still deceit either way

[JDMcNugent7]

true, thats why i deleted my post, before i saw u quote it.
there's no right or wrong answers to this and i guess everyone's points are valid, some just make alot more sense to me than others.

I am with TP, I draw the line with the rules, and I guess the only reason I had a question about this, was because I really don't know the specifics of the rules in this case.

[Zybomb]

But that still doesnt make sense (to me at least). What one site believes shouldnt influence whether or not something is ETHICAL... just if it is LEGAL. For example if Pokerstars allowed the use of PT but Full Tilt did not, it would be illegal to use on Full Tilt and legal to use on Pokerstars... however you could not say that it is ETHICAL to use on Pokerstars, yet NOT ETHICAL on Full Tilt.... it's one or the other.... UNLESS what you are saying is that you believe "following the rules" to be ethical, so you will follow them, (if they dont allow it for example) despite the fact that you don't think that using PT would be unethical (kind of hard to follow im sure lol)

Ok we're about to open the restaurant, time for me to go upstairs