Another absolute beauty

[Penguinfan]

I mean this just can't keep happening, can it?


100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 10660202) - Thu Mar 24 00:42:47 EST 2005
Table Table 14239 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: Jme420 (1205)
Seat 3: Semper_bri (1090)
Seat 5: penguinfan (1280)
Seat 6: j_five (300)
Seat 8: BboiMatti (430)
Seat 9: chadMike818 (3695)
Semper_bri posts small blind (50)
penguinfan posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to penguinfan [ 8c, 8h ]
j_five folds.
penguinfan: ty
BboiMatti folds.
chadMike818 calls (100)
Jme420 calls (100)
Semper_bri calls (50)
penguinfan: first one I played
penguinfan checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, 3d, 4c ]
BboiMatti: hahaha
BboiMatti: really?
Semper_bri checks.
penguinfan checks.
chadMike818 checks.
Jme420 bets (400)
Semper_bri folds.
penguinfan raises (1180) to 1180
penguinfan is all-In.
chadMike818 folds.
Jme420 calls (705)
Jme420 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
Creating Main Pot with $2610 with Jme420
Creating Side Pot 1 with $75 with penguinfan
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2610 | Side Pot 1: 75
Board: [ 5s 3d 4c Kd 2s ]
Jme420 balance 2610, bet 1205, collected 2610, net +1405 [ Ad 8s ] [ a straight, ace to five -- Ad,5s,4c,3d,2s ]
Semper_bri balance 990, lost 100 (folded)
penguinfan balance 75, bet 1280, collected 75, lost -1205 [ 8c 8h ] [ a pair of eights -- Kd,8c,8h,5s,4c ]
j_five balance 300, didn't bet (folded)
BboiMatti balance 430, didn't bet (folded)
chadMike818 balance 3595, lost 100 (folded)

[junYUN]

lol

[Zybomb]

This is a pretty shitty beat, but I cant say I would of played this hand the same way you did.

I would of preflop raised with the 8s since there had been a lot of weak play thus far (unless people were very frequently trapping preflop at the table) and unless you plan to see a cheap flop and fold unless u hit trips (which is proper strategy at many times, and in that case you want as many callers as possible, I just feel this isnt one of those times), you dont wanna be up against 4 opponents with a mid pair, when you sense weak preflop play and want to either pick the pot up or outbet the caller on the flop.

Assuming I did just check in BB, I would of led out on the flop rather than check raising, as under no circumstances did you want anyone to see a card for free or even for anything remotely cheap...because although u were looking good (but not great) on the flop with an over pair, there literally were 2 cards in the deck (the last two 8's) that could come on the turn that wouldnt scare you. 9-A are all over cards to your pair. 3,4,5 pairs the board, 2,6,7 complete someones straight...you also didnt want someone to bet an amount which your raise couldnt force them out and leave them around to get lucky

Perahps your check which led him to bet the 400 made him feel committed to the extra 705 raise, but I cant imagine he thought he was ahead... or had many outs. His best hope would be you had high cards one of which werent an ace, which would mean he was ahead. or one of your hole cards paired the board (which left him 10 outs) Outside of that basically anything else would leave him at 25% or less

Just realize that after your raise there was 1500 in the pot (500 invested by him) and he needed to call another 700, so he was getting 2 to 1 on his money, so although by no means is it a good call, its not a particularly horrible one either

It does make the call worse that was you were putting him in a decision for all of his chips

Just a final note, I think there is a decent chance that you may of picked up this pot right away if you had fired rather than checked, but this guy could just be a complete idiot and think his ace high with 8 kicker was good, or he had a good shot of hittin the inside straight.

[2Tone]

Penguin, I believe you to be a good player, and very likely a better NL player than I am. But I don't like the play here at all. Checkraising with a pair of 8s?

If you want to play aggressive, fire at it to being with. Otherwise, it gets checked around, the turn brings that King, and you could well be beat.

Meanwhile, a moderate size bet by him could well mean he's on a draw, but you have to at least consider the possibility he has a 2 or a 6. Do you want really want to bet all your chips that he won't hit any of his 8 outs?

No disrespect meant, but I wouldn't have played it this way.

[Penguinfan]

I agree this was not a textbook play on my part, but trust me when I tell you this guy was betting out at every pot after the flop weather he hit it or not, I had him on big cards or suited Ace since he didn't raise before the flop. In all honesty I was in a spot I wanted to make some chips and this was my spot, him making 4 to a straight is what hurt, if an Ace fell it would not have been so bad.

[Justin_Price]

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[SirFWALGMan]

Please take this to a private message.. I mean, ha! Nice suckout. You were like 80% favorite! He did have an over though! heh. Better luck next time.