Hand for Hand

[Govman6767]

Anyone have a list of websites besides Party that goes hand for hand when you get near the money. ??

[HEwong]

i think most sites do that. stars does it .. i know that for sure

[Robbie Robb]

UB does it as well. Personally, I think they should change the way they do it for some tourneys however.

The tourneys in question are the qualifier type where x people move on to the next tourney. For this example, let's use 50. So as soon as 50 are left, the tourney ends after that hand. When it gets down to 51 or 52, the game starts going hand-by-hand. The problem is that there are 6 tables still in play at this point. In an effort to keep everyone alive at any particular table, the players will often slow down play in hopes that other tables will go out, thus keeping all their table's players in.

The solution is simple: Start playing hand-by-hand when there are a number of people above x remaining where x is equal to the number of tables in play. In the example above, HFH would start when 56 people remain in the tournament. Since every table has a short stack, it shouldn't be too much of a problem AND there would be absolutely NO benefit in delaying the speed of the game.

[HEwong]

well if they didnt do hand for hand.what would stop someone from using their time bank to try and get into money. and what if 2 or more people went out at the same time

[Robbie Robb]

The time bank isn't infinite. Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant. I suggest that they INCREASE the number of remaining players when they start HFH. Currently most sites are x+1 or x+2 ,where x is the cutoff. I propose that they increase this to x+y, where y=number of tables still in play. Again, this is ONLY for tourneys where top x advance regardless of chip stacks.

For cash tourneys It is fine to keep it with only 1 or 2 people as NO ONE is going to baby someone else along to keep them in the money - after all, that's money that they may be taking from you.

If two people go out on the same hand, the person with the larger chip stack prior to the hand going out finishes in the better position.

[Talking Poker]

This is a very odd question. What prompted it?

[Govman6767]

I was playing party 40 ppl get paid we started going hand for hand at 50
but after they get to 40 they go back to normal till they hit 20.
I wanted to know if all the sites do this
If your going to go hand for hand why switch back to regular when you hit 20
If somone was going to stall I it would be to try to move from 40 money to 20 money.
If someone want's to stall it's their business and It should be a players job to report someone if they think they are stalling instead of making the tournament last an extra 2 hours But then again with party's TERRIBLE live help it's better they go hand for hand.

[Robbie Robb]

Generally if the money has different levels (which, in your example it sounds like 21 through 40 each received the same amount before going up at 20) and not a continuous escalation of payouts, the game WILL go HFH at each level's bubble.

Stalling once in the money usually isn't as big of a problem. Sure, you'll have ONE person, short-stacked, stalling to try to make it to the next payout, but you WON'T have the rest of people collaborating with that short-stack to make sure they make it to the next level. Once in the money, the sooner the short-stack goes out, the closer the others are to 1st place.

As I mentioned, the ONLY place I've seen stalling be an issue is in satellite tourneys where x people move on, and then ONLY where the satellite is a freeroll (such as the UB TEC Freeroll). I've played the UB WSOPVIP $5 and am playing the $5 TV qualifiers and nothing like that happens. Sure, you've got the guy with a stack of 400 chips hanging on by the fingernails to make the cut (I *know* this! ) and they will often try to stall. But once HFH starts, stalling becomes completely pointless.