River gutshot

[meanness]

Just blowing off some steam

PokerStars Game #5392838902: Tournament #27212552, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/06/28 - 14:58:07 (ET)
Table '27212552 17' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Tonytay (4230 in chips)
Seat 2: Mean_bcp (2260 in chips)
Seat 3: Hutchinson12 (1425 in chips)
Seat 4: sit-tight (6575 in chips)
Seat 5: CLEMI (1030 in chips)
Seat 6: 2pacalypse7 (3635 in chips)
Seat 8: sharpy666 (850 in chips)
Seat 9: gstepr (2390 in chips)
Mean_bcp: posts small blind 15
Hutchinson12: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mean_bcp [8h Jh]
sit-tight: folds
CLEMI: calls 30
2pacalypse7: raises 60 to 90
sharpy666: folds
gstepr: folds
Tonytay: folds
Mean_bcp: calls 75
Hutchinson12: folds
CLEMI: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [9d Tc 5s]
Mean_bcp: checks
CLEMI: checks
2pacalypse7: checks
*** TURN *** [9d Tc 5s] [7s]
Mean_bcp: checks
CLEMI: bets 150
2pacalypse7: calls 150
Mean_bcp: raises 350 to 500
CLEMI: calls 350
2pacalypse7: calls 350 <-- Great call, dipshit.
*** RIVER *** [9d Tc 5s 7s] [8s] Boom! The single worst card in the deck for my hand. Flush and straight draws complete.
Mean_bcp: checks
CLEMI: bets 120
2pacalypse7: raises 1560 to 1680
Mean_bcp: calls 1670 and is all-in Donkey call probably, but was hoping to beat a hand with a 6 or chop with a J.
CLEMI: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2pacalypse7: shows [Qc Js] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Mean_bcp: shows [8h Jh] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
2pacalypse7 collected 5260 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5260 | Rake 0
Board [9d Tc 5s 7s 8s]
Seat 1: Tonytay (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mean_bcp (small blind) showed [8h Jh] and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 3: Hutchinson12 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: sit-tight folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CLEMI folded on the River
Seat 6: 2pacalypse7 showed [Qc Js] and won (5260) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 8: sharpy666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: gstepr folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Zybomb]

umm...just so you know he was opened ended not on a gutshot... and he also had two over cards. And he did have 4:1 on his call plus implied odds. Really not a bad call at all IMO

[Boobie Lover]

Fold preflop.

[meanness]

Gah! You're right, somehow in my frustration I missed that it was an open-ended draw.

Ignore this post, I was just venting.

(And no, I'm not folding it pre-flop! The problem was my donkey call on the river, my hand was the nuts after the turn, and I couldn't let it go after a terrible river card.)

[Zybomb]

Im not suggesting one way or the other, but J8s is not a very strong hand, especially from the blinds OOP

The strength between a suited 1 gapper and a suited 2 gapper is fairly large, and position is a key. I'd be more likely to call this on the button, hopefulling convincing one of the blinds to call and all but forcing the limper to call. Now I get to see a flop with 3:1 on my money and the button.

And the more I think about it, the more I like the opponents call. Like I said he has 8 outs to a straight (plus two over cards)... but the main thing is his implied odds. If an 8 comes he has the nut straight on a 4 card straight board, so anyone with a Jack is paying him off his entire stack (maybe a 6 also!). Both of his draws are to the nuts, one of which is the nuts on a board VERY likely to pay him off. HUGE implied odds

[meanness]

Definitely he made the right call...I'm just a dork for not recognizing that he had an open-ended draw before I posted this.

I won't play J8s every time, certainly...but with a limper in front and the BB yet to act, there's a real good chance I get to see this flop for $75 against three other players. In that situation, I will play this hand about 90% of the time.

My river call was horrible...it was disturbing for me to watch my hand (which was the nuts on the turn) go to almost worthless after the river, and I made an emotional play instead of a smart one. So no, it's not a bad beat, but if TP wants to create an "I'm an idiot" forum, I'll happily re-post this thread there.

[Talking Poker]

LOL.... can't do that. If we did, the other forums would become ghost towns!