The New Brian

[SirFWALGMan]

Well, since I am the new Brian, I have a hair brained scheme like his. Let me hear your comments.

So here was my idea. I have been playing a ton of MTTs lately. You pay like 3-20$, and you get a chance to score 200-3000$. So here is the hair brained part. I am going to play MTTs all week. I am going to try and win one for around 300-400 bucks. I am then going to take the score from that one game and sit on a 30/60 table for a little and see if I can run it up to 1K or more. If I lose it, hey, its only three bucks. If I hit a good hand and score, then aewsome.

If I am going to be a maniac I might as well embrace it. It does not effect my online bankroll at all. Anything can happen in a short period of time at a table. So anyway, I am thinking about doing this. I will let you know how it works out.

[johnp158]

Brilliant.

It'll only cost you $3? So you're gonna win the first MTT you enter? And you're gonna win enough in a $3 MTT to sit at a 30/60 table?

WTF.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

Truly worthy of the name Brain....

[SirFWALGMan]

You got it. Actually, I do very well at all of the MTTs. All I really want to win is $300. Not enough to sit at a 30/60, but enough to take a shot and make a score.

I am playing MTTs anyways, not specifically to win the $300. Alot of the $5-$10 1500 and 2K contests pay out anywhere from $700 and up. The $3 750 turbo I came in 5th in last night paid $79 for $3. If I had hit first in that I would have won $400 and that is the goal for the shot at the 30/60.

I score in probably 3 of 5 MTTs I play on Titan. Not for big bucks, but ITM at least. The fields are small, the overlays are large, and you can make it ITM fairly easily. I have actually final tabled for a good amount of the MTTs I have played also. Alot of these require you to get 4th-5th for decent money. I have had several of the 4th-8th finishes also. I would be surprised if at the end of the week I have not had a $300 finish. We shall see though.

[junYUN]

even if it works out you'll blow it

just my 2 cents.

[SirFWALGMan]

It is always a possability. At least your comment makes sense and somewhat addresses the question. I know all the low-level grinders eaking out there 3BB an hour are offended by the idea that maybe you can vault up a little.. but why not? What is the risk? Nothing really. Expand your thinking a little.. Adter all what are MTTs? Just a way to take a small risk, spend (x) dollars and have a chance to vault up 500, 1000, 3K whatever the big payout is. So is there any difference? Not really. Even the most skilled MTT players do not score all the time. They are taking a fixed amount and risking it, trying to use skill and get lucky, to make a larger amount. Same difference.

[junYUN]

no its not that i care about grinding and shit.. if it doesnt matter to you then you shouldnt care. all im saying is thats a gambling mindset... and gamblers always lose in the long run.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

If you just want to see if you can get say $400-$600 from $3-$20 then I guess it could be an interesting experiment. If you are saying that this is a good idea (as anything more than an experiment), then I would have to disagree.

One question.... You win the $300 for 1st and sit at the 30/60 table. What are you shooting for at this point? $600, $1000, or just play till its gone? I don't mean that sarcastically, if you don't have a goal for it then it will be the latter at that limit with that bankroll, IMO.

You could look at this like parlaying a small buyin tourney into a big event. Say you played a SNG for $10 and won, bought into a $100, etc etc with the goal of getting $10000 to get into a major tourney while not considering ever playing in a major event buying in directly with "your own" money. Then again you could aslo realize that when you are up to the $1000 level you HAVE $1000 and might not want to throw it on a single tourney. Also like the step tourneys (in a way)

[junYUN]

my guess was he was looking to pick one hand to move in and try to double up.

[SirFWALGMan]

Yes. That is my plan. Win 300-400. Sit down at a 30/60. Play until I hit $900-$1000. Quit.

[SirFWALGMan]

No. I actually play on the site. Obviously I am short rolled so if I hit a bad run or even have KK run into and Ace on the river I am done for. So in that sense I am gambling on being able to take down 2-3 small pots at least. The last few times I tried 30/60 (on tilt, not as part of an experiment) I played 20-30 hands, hit some good cards, and left. It does not take very long to make $1000 at 30/60. It is basically 2-3 small pots.

One other thing that I like about 30/60. You guys are thinking "Shark Bait". I have been there. Albeit for a short period of time. On Titan. the games are SOFT. No Sharks. Alot of the people who play 30/60 there are (I admit) dummies like me who take 300 and try and score. I regularly see people buyin for the minimum.

Anyhow, it is a one time experiment.. I will keep you posted. I am starting tonight with the 3K Guarenteed ($10 entry, pays $900) and possibly another tourney.

[junYUN]

im interested to see how things go. good luck.

[Talking Poker]

Here's my question: Why is it that people who win money think it's somehow not their money? What's the difference between winning $300 from a $3 buy in, finding $300 on the street, getting a paycheck for $300, or opening your wallet and seeing $300 siting there?

NOTHING.

In all those cases, you have $300. If you chose to take it to a 30/60 table, so be it... but when you lose it, I don't see how you can say you lose nothing (or $3 or whatever the case may be) - you lose $300. Not $299, not $301. $300.

I just don't get how people think $300 earned one way is worth more or less than $300 earned another.

If you want to gamble, gamble... but justifying it and pretending you're not blowing it when you do, thats just stupid.

P.S. When you do decide to take your shot at $30/$60 with your 5 BBs, please give me a little bit of advanced notice. I'm not say I'll be gunning for you or anything, but knowing you don't care about losing it anyway, I might as well be the one to take it. And if you wouldn't feel badly losing that money to a stranger, you'd probably feel GOOD losing it to me! I'll even immediately kick some of what I take from you back to this forum, via a contest, or a Freeroll held in your honor... that sort of thing.

You know... The more I think about it, the more I am loving your idea.

[SirFWALGMan]

It is a total Deal TP! But remember, A) You always lose to people in the forum, and B) I am only there until I take 2-3 hands and make 800-900, and C) You should fucking play 30/60 on Titan all the time, I bet you would kill the game!!!! Ok, so you could not 19 table. Oh well.

In regards to money being money. I kind of buy into the casino mentality. When it is sitting in my bank account I consider it money, until then I consider it chips. I dissasociate my bankroll from real world money. I am not sure that is a bad thing at all. I know some people who are afraid to play at all because all they can see is the money. They stay at the .10/.20 tables for there entire game. That is fine for them but it does not work for me.

[Talking Poker]

So.... let's say you win some huge tourney that you won a satellite into and pocket 6 or 7 figures. Or better yet, let's say you hit the Bad Beat Jackpot on Party for $400,000 or so. Rather than going and buying yourself a house and a nice car, etc, you think it would be perfectly reasonable for you to go blow $399,975 of it playing Heads Up with Negreanu, because - HEY! You're still 25 bucks ahead???? I mean, after all, it's not money, right? Just "chips."

Yeah, good luck with that. And seriously, don't forget to let me know about that $30/60 game.

[Quint]

This is fine if you've got Bill Gates money or Stuey Unger skill. Otherwise, you better learn the value of a dollar and proper BR management. Good luck.

[ChipFish]

This would be alot funnier if it were true.

Here is the first nomination to bring back Brian.

[SirFWALGMan]

I will sign you up first. Now your talking scales of value. If I won 400K, I would for sure take it out and spend it on something nice. However, $300 is like a few hours pay.. so it does not mean THAT MUCH to me. Not that I am going to take $300 from my bank account and put it on a site. It is all a matter of perspective I guess.

[Talking Poker]

Explain to me why the $300 sitting in your bank account is worth any more or less than:

$300 in your wallet.
$300 in your car.
$300 in your hand.
$300 under your mattress.
$300 in you Neteller account.

Please.

[2Tone]

But I suspect this is how the regulars at 30/60 make their money. If you sit with $300, what are the chances that your big blind won't be three bet?

[Gordogg]

Materially there's no difference. Psychologically it's different because it's money that was won, not earned from your regular job. Fwalg has built his curent roll from fifty bucks, up to 1k now right? And the money he started with was a handout from Empire in the first place. Fwalg has a good job so realistically this money doesn't mean a whole lot one way or the other if he loses it or keeps it. But, if he can score a nice chunk it would mean something. I don't agree with this logic, but I can see where he's coming from.

Edit: GL btw Fwalg. Interested to see how it pans out.

[eddo31]

do you have to sit at 30/60 for this to work?

couldnt you take the same 300 and sit at 5/10, where you will actually have some wiggle room and take a shot? obviously this isnt even close to a bankroll for that level, but at least you wouldnt be playing with 5 big bets.

if you are going to sit ridiculously short for a level, you might as well play no limit where you can push and guarantee that you will see all five board cards.

not that i would ever do something like this, but good luck anyways.

[Aequitas58]

Nevermind.

[SirFWALGMan]

DAAAMN AEQ Man you gotta post, or else TP will need to change your forum name. Bring it resident asshole.

Gordon has it right. Let me ask you this. If you sit at a table of 5/10, and you put $250 down and you lose it. Do you think, "Man, I just lost a car payment?". No you think oh well, my bankroll dipped a little. If I thought of my money as "money" I would never want to play anything. All having fun aside, I do not think it is healthy to see your bankroll as a mortgage payment or a car payment. (Even though $300 covers neither of those things in Boston). I think it leads to playing scared. Just my opinion. Now, I am not saying my way is totally right either, seeing it as nothing at all. I can compartmentalize things though. If I take $5 from my bankroll, run it up to $300, and try and run it up to $1K I can deal with that. It only effects my bankroll -5$ and possibly effects it +1K which allows me to play games that mean more to me on a consistant and more bankroll safe way.

The update for the night. Cash Games Good / MTTs Bad. I played in 3 of them tonight. The closest I came for the night was 45th place. I flopped 2 pair, J6 and pushed. A8 calls. Turns and ace for the trips. Ouch. Oh well. I played it the best way I could. The very next hand my pair of tens ran up against aces.

On the good side I made over $50 in cash games, so it paid for all the MTTs and then some. I got on a nice .25/.50 NL table and scored $30 quickly. I also scored another few bucks at another table. I then played a heads up match with a blogger and smoked him for a nice $20 profit.

Will update you all tomorrow night.

[SirFWALGMan]

With 300 I can see 3 rounds of blinds and see a flop or two, play out a hand or two. No great odds, but it has worked twice before. I could play on the 5/10 table with the 300. However I am not going to get the same bang for the buck. If I win at the 30/60 I am easily trippling or quadruppling my money. It is not even a question. If I win at 5/10 I will possibly double it. The experiment is to try and take a HUGE leap and see what happens.