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Old 05-24-06, 07:24 PM
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In NL Hold Em, when faced with a bet (postflop), you should be folding or raising ___ % of the time.

If this varies table to table or opponent to opponent explain why

I understand the importance of a call (drawing hands, slow playing hands, questionable hands, etc) but how often should it be used and not used

Im focusing more on the actual flop here and somewhat on the turn (obviously on the river, a call can be used a lot more often)
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Old 05-24-06, 07:29 PM
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Such a broad generic question. Just like anything in poker, it is all situational. Say that I have position on a person, I am much more likely to float against a continuation bet than if I am out of position. I am also less likely to call against a passive player than an agressive one.

Simply put, I don't think you can assign a percentage to this because people play different levels, play different styles, play different opponents and trying to make this a black and white issue is dumb.
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Tournament play, early in the tournament when there are most likely 3-4 in a lot of pots, I'd say 80% Late in a tournament 95%. This is of course scewed by the fact that I end up in micro tourneys a lot and I can't seem to get people off bottom pair.
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Old 05-24-06, 07:37 PM
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i say 100%, why call when you can raise and make him think!
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SeriouslyLet's say you're final two tables of a tournament, you get in to see a decently cheap flop against the chip lead. You're holding J10 of spades, flop comes out 8s 9s 2d. He leads out with a bet that's 1/2 the pot, you'd raise every single time? never take the cheap card or possibly wait for a steal attempt on fourth street? You raise him and he pushes all in? represent a set or two pair? I'm not saying I don't raise in this spot, but there are times that I like to see the decently cheap card. Especially when the chip lead is the type of player who defends his continuation bets on a non scare card board. I definately think it's situational.
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Old 05-24-06, 08:12 PM
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While your example isn't the best illustration, I completely understand where you're coming from. 100% is definately not correct, and I cant imagine anyone employs a 100% fold/raise strategy
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No, me niether. sarcasm was the mian point of my post.

Seriosuly though, that example id raise more oftne than not, but i see what your saying.

Without reads, situations or whatever, somewhere around 75% as a serious example i think
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Wow. I don't think I can answer that question.

Wow.
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Is this because it is so situational that it cant be answered in general?
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In cash games I prob. call only about 10% of the time, so raising and folding 90%.

In tournaments I call alot more - probably like 30% of the time.
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