Troubling situation at the tables

Zybomb · #1 12-08-05, 03:33 AM

I wanted to bring this up the other day but I forgot about it

Monday Night I was at the "room" playin and a situation came up. I took notice, bc I had had a similiar experience (sort of)

two opponents to the flop, one was a PFRer who raised to 12 preflop. The flop came AAK. The PFRer made a small bet (these amount are what I think they were, I wasnt in the hand so i wasnt paying complete attention) of 12. It was called. The turn came a 10. The PFRer bet 15. It was called. The river came Q. The PFRer bet 25 it was called. The caller shook his head and said show me your Ace. The PFRer showed A8. The caller nodded and said "it's good"

The PFRer began to collect the chips and the dealer went to clean the cards...she had part of the flop in her hand being picked up when the caller said "HOLD UP hold up hold up, I didn't muck my hand yet" (he was still holding his cards) . The dealer dropped the cards back...He looked at the board again and said no no, I have a straight and showed King Jack... "I really didnt mean to slow roll I didnt even see it, I wasnt paying attention"

Who is entitled to the pot? Do the words "its good" constitute a muck even if the cards arent thrown away?

Talking Poker · #2 12-08-05, 03:39 AM

You have more damn problems at your home game!

I don't know FOR SURE on this one, but I believe if neither the board cards nor either players hole cards have not hit the muck yet, then the guy with the straight could still contest for the pot. Saying "it's good" doesn't not constitute a fold, nor would saying "Well, I only have a pair of Kings.......... to go along with my straight!" or something equally stupid and annoying.

Everywhere I play, the cards play themselves. Now, had this person waited about 1 more second until the board cards hit the muck, then it would be too late, because the hand would be over.

That's my take on it, but I'm not certain on this one.

Zybomb · #3 12-08-05, 03:41 AM

This wasnt a 'home game' this time!
It was at the local 'room' that I go to play cards... you know like one of of the ones in The Rounders

Now the dealer had begun picking up the boards cards...she had to put them back down........ is that the cut off for a dead hand?

Talking Poker · #4 12-08-05, 03:45 AM

I don't think so. I think it's just after that, when they physically touch the muck. But I'm not sure. It may be when the pot is pushed which is usually BEFORE the board cards are picked up, right? That seems like a reasonable time to officially end the hand to me.

savoryyoda · #5 12-08-05, 01:11 PM

I'm with the Man on this one, not mucked until in the muck. What happened in the moment?

Akverno · #6 12-08-05, 05:29 PM

Every casino I play in they wait to put the player's cards in the muck before they place the board there. If the player's cards haven't touched the muck and the casino's rules are cards read the the J wins. I saw a guy stacking the chips in with his when the dealer realized that the guy was an idiot and had a flush. The casino had to count down the hand to transfer the chips from one guy to the other, it was a mess.