Implied Odds 2 to the flop

[Zybomb]

Exactly how much are these takin into account?

Example: Theres a standard raise from MP and you call from the button with AQs everyone else folds.

The Flop has a King and 2 low cards but it brings you 4 to the flush. Your opponent leads out with a pot sized bet. Pot Odds say fold this and there is no other players in the hand that may make this call to give you correct pot odds -- but is it a fold always, can your implied odds make up for this?

Sure he can see the flush a mile away, but say he has AK, the turn brings the flush so he decides to check (though he may lead out again) and you check behind him. I assume if the river does not bring a 4th of the suit, he will at the very least check call a small/medium sized bet.

If you flop a straight draw your implied odds would go up since it is tougher to spot (although your outs decrease by 1) HU do you always fold to a pot sized bet here?

Im assuming you do NOT choose to take the aggressive route by raising in this spot hoping for a free card, and or a turn steal if you miss.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

If there is a pot sized bet then you are putting in (for example) 100 to a 200 pot. You need 1:3 pot odds to make the call. If you make the flush ON THE TURN then you need to be "sure" you can get another 100 from him to make your flop call correct.

If you don't make it on the turn and there is another pot sized bet (say 300) then you would then need to be "sure" you could get a call on a 600 bet on the river if you make your flush to make the turn call correct.

I would think the 100 (flop example) implied odds on the turn would be reasonable, but the river example is pretty unlikely to get a call even from a bad player.

[2Tone]

I’m still working on better understanding implied pot odds, but I’d say they don’t apply here. The scenario you present is heads up, so unless we are talking about a tourney situation where he’s a short stack and would already be committed, there’s only so much money you’ll be able to get out of him if that flush hits. As you say, it’s not like he’s not going to see that it is out there.

Implied odds come into play more often in multiway pots, or in situations where you have the possibility of hitting a full house to beat a flush.

[junYUN]

how about leading out on the turn if you make your flush and he checks to you? you're almost sure to get a call from a hand like AK.. especially since your average good player will assume you won't lead out with a flush.. and you may be representing one because it hit and he showed weakness.

[badblood44]

Or try raising his continuation bet on the flop. If you miss, you may get a free card, or he may even fold if the K is a scare card to him. This sounds like a tourney situation based on the scenario, so the above recommendation is very dependent on relative stack sizes to each other and to the blinds.

But on a pure pot odds play, it's tough because flushes are obvious based on the board.