Garden variety runner-runner one outer

[Penguinfan]

Full Tilt Poker Game #783266639: Table Sandy - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 18:08:22 ET - 2006/07/09
Seat 1: MrMopper ($18.45)
Seat 2: brimelian ($49.05)
Seat 3: QQQAA ($12)
Seat 4: dabjorn ($22.70)
Seat 5: voneric03 ($31.65)
Seat 6: noxqsez ($28.75)
Seat 7: Penguinfan ($46.85)
Seat 9: djhomeschool ($131.45)
dabjorn posts the small blind of $0.25
voneric03 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Penguinfan [As Ac 7h Tc]
noxqsez folds
Penguinfan calls $0.50
djhomeschool folds
MrMopper folds
brimelian calls $0.50
QQQAA calls $0.50
dabjorn calls $0.25
voneric03 checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Ah Td]
dabjorn bets $1.25
voneric03 folds
Penguinfan calls $1.25
brimelian folds
QQQAA folds
*** TURN *** [5h Ah Td] [8c]
dabjorn bets $2.50
Penguinfan calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [5h Ah Td 8c] [8d]
dabjorn bets $5
Penguinfan raises to $25
dabjorn calls $13.45, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $6.55 returned to Penguinfan
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Penguinfan shows [As Ac 7h Tc] (a full house, Aces full of Eights)
dabjorn shows [5s 8s 6h 8h] (four of a kind, Eights)
dabjorn wins the pot ($44.60) with four of a kind, Eights
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $46.90 | Rake $2.30
Board: [5h Ah Td 8c 8d]
Seat 1: MrMopper didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: brimelian folded on the Flop
Seat 3: QQQAA (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: dabjorn (small blind) showed [5s 8s 6h 8h] and won ($44.60) with HI: four of a kind, Eights
Seat 5: voneric03 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: noxqsez didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Penguinfan showed [As Ac 7h Tc] and lost with HI: a full house, Aces full of Eights
Seat 9: djhomeschool didn't bet (folded)


This happened minutes after busting out of a multi with AA vs KK. I think I get commended for the fact I am not shopping for a new laptop tomorow.

[Penguinfan]

Jesus Fucking Christ huh?

[Penguinfan]

I really shouldn't complain, I was no where near the favorite TP was in the hand:



I was only 97.6 compared to his 99.9, but I think I get honorable mention for ass fucking of the year.

[Boobie Lover]

Um, this is Omaha 8. You were not a 97% favorite anywhere. You were a favorite on the flop.

[Penguinfan]

You're going to have to explain that to me, currently I dissagree with you 1000%

[Boobie Lover]

Your opponent had a flush draw + a low draw. You had top set, no other redraw, and no low draw. Thus you were a slight favorite.

[Penguinfan]

OK, I'll give you this, I was just talking the HI, and didn't see the flush draw, STILL I am 73/27 after the flop. 80/20 after the turn.

54-46 doesn't make any sense at all???

[Boobie Lover]

Are you just making up those numbers up? Please, learn some basic Omaha Hi/Lo principles before playing again.

EDIT: OK, you are just talking about the hi portion of the pot, but this is fairly stupid since you are playing a split pot game.

[Penguinfan]

No, I am not making those numbers up, straight from the calculator at CardPlayer.com, which I think would be accurate.

[Boobie Lover]

When playing omaha 8, you don't think about the overall percentage you are going to win either side. You think about the overall equity you have in the hand. At the cardplayer thing, the last option with the "EE" tells you what is important about the hand, the overall equity you have in the hand (and also where you get the 54-46 favorite).

[Penguinfan]

OK, thanks. Right after busting out of a tourney ( literally like 4 hands earlier) with AA vs KK then to get nut full VS quads still stings, reguardless of the odds.

You are right though, I was just looking at my half (high) of the pot, mistake, yes, tough beat, for sure.

[Talking Poker]

Use a real calculator:

I haven't tested out the O8 stuff much - what does it say?

[Penguinfan]

It says Nut full losing to quads sucks bad, or at least it should.

[Penguinfan]

Flop:

73/27 for the high hand
5/55 for the low, I am assuming the missing percentage is if no low at all hits

After the turn:

80/20 for the high
7.5/37.5 for low


Still.......

[sjay2k]

I've never played this game, but shouldn't you pot-raise the flop??? and the turn?

[Penguinfan]

AA is not nearly as sexy in Omaha as they are in Hold em, pot bet is not uncommon though. This guy would fire at every pot and fold to agression, I kinda wanted to keep him in it, though a case could be made for betting the low draw out, with the A on the board I didn't think he had a low draw.

Careful what you ask for I guess.

[Boobie Lover]

From my limited knowledge of Omaha 8, the flop should have been potted. The turn though should not have. All you have is a high with no possibility for the low. If you pot on the turn, expect the other player to have a lock for the low with a redraw for a high to scoop. Not a good situation to get money in there.

BTW, AA7T single suited is garbage. The only flop you can hope for is one with an ace, but then you are regularly playing for 1/2 the pot if you do hit your set. I would muck that junk preflop.

[Penguinfan]

One of the A's was suited, very passive table, worth a look for 50 cents.