Help needed Zy..TP ??

[Govman6767]

Well Gentlemen and Ladies my Move from the East Coast to the West Coast is over and I'll admit it I need REAL help for the first time in my life with my poker game.

I will admit to you that my specialty is 7card regular, Razz and No Limit Holdem The main problem is these games are not really offered in the Billion Washington State Casino's. 3/6 limit 4/8 limit and 5/10 Limit seem to be the only real choice going for me right now. My game theory is solid when playing limit with pot odds etc etc. So now we will get into my problem.

1) 10 handed the Silver Dollar is getting capped pots 12 dollars per person and 6 ppl calling preflop so preflop betting 12 to win 72 not too shabby when your holding AA KK but waiting for that situation blinded the piss out of me to the point where AA and KK was not holding up against 5 other ppl enough to survive. You all know AA vs a random hand is awsome but agains 5 other random hands when i did not flop any help I was usually ahead after the flop but destined to lose after the turn or river Betting 3 will not chase anyone away as a 3 or 6 dollar bet is not going to get you away from that pot (and it's correct i guess that it should not) ......So waiting for big hands was not working. So I added this to my strategy.

2) Playing my big suited cards preflop KQ QJ etc etc against a big group of ppl big straights or flushs work well against a group of ppl and my super tight ass needed to open up more it seemed so High suited hand's i might toss in No Limit I added to my Limit game. Problem kicked in when I can't get in cheap with them 12 bucks 12 bucks 12 bucks and missing flop after flop It gets' worse when you almost get there and the guy who's calling 12 bucks preflop with 7 4 offsuit wins with his 4's (Running bad has more to do with my problems here with this stategy I think because I am getting odds for most of this stuff) But i'm running into the same problem I'm having problems beating this super loose game because the suck outs are MUCH MUCH more frequent. I KNOW THIS IS AN IDEAL SITUATION I'M WATCHING THESE LOOSE STUPID (NEW CATEGORY) PLAYERS GO THOUGH RACK AFTER RACK BUT IT'S NOT THE TIGHT AGG PLAYER LIKE ME WHO'S WINNING THE CHIPS. It seems the donks keep passing the chips back and forth so the rake wins but the 6 against one thing is killing me It's like the British and the Zulu's I"m a lone man with my Big rifle (AA) and I'm trying to hold back a swarm of twits charging me with spears and as you guessed the Zulus are winning.

3) When I got real desperate I added Middle suited connectors to these big pots after frustration sets in 78s 910s 56s this did not last long as never hitting got old I'm not superstious but watching ppl win with 58 over and over while I kept missing was starting to fry my ass. I decended from pot odds to WTF is going on here!!!!!!

To me it seems like no one can win in limit if they are not getting cards and you are playing against a large # of players you can steal blinds against one or two once in a while but not here. I LOVED this situation in Atlantic City playing 1/2 NL just waiting waiting waiting BAM they hand you the money.

It's wierd it seems like a bunch of loose twits is an ideal situation but i'm missing something cause I went from being a winning player year after year and this transition to limit has truly devastated me. I was thinking of going to a diffrent casino where the game is a little tighter BUT THAT'S STUPID THE MONEY IS HERE FOR THE TAKING AND I KEEP DONATING.

TP said the only thing that matters is are you playing WELL, well until i added #3 to my game I WAS playing theorywise WELL ( I think ) but something is missing.

What am I missing here people that's the help that I need hell some of you must play at tables like these I"m not used to it TP i know your a limit guy but you play 6 handed I believe so your not getting all 5 callers preflop.
I really need suggestions and I really need help cause right now I'm a sinking ship. Yes I might be running bad cards are not helping but.... sometimes something is lurking besides the cards and if it seems like it point it out to me
be a dick be harsh I don't care. But something is really wrong here because I have the Ideal Situation in poker a bunch of loose donks but I'm not taking it down. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPP

[Talking Poker]

I'm not used to games like that, no... and I'm honestly not sure what adjustments you should make, but I suspect it's things like: playing more drawing hands preflop, ramming and jamming when you hit the flop, only chasing when you have the correct odds, and never bluffing.

So, based on the post you made - what are you missing? Simple: Your sample size isn't big enough. If you continue to play well, you should CRUSH this game in the long run, but expect a lot of variance along the way.

[Govman6767]

I was praying you would say that. Maybe I just needed to hear it from someone else. You can't have an Ideal situation like this and not be winning. (long term) I'm just used to Low Swing games with a good +EV Now i'm in a Super +EV situation with Tons more Bad Swing potential and maybe I'm just in the real bad swing now. I just felt like I'm playing the Best poker possible and getting Crushed time after time.

Its hard knowing your playing Good doing what your supposed to be doing and getting smoked It has taken a lot out of me I won't lie maybe I was doing so well the best thing that could happen is getting knocked off my high horse. Playing LIMIT now has just wrecked my coinfidence but thats why i'm posting this I just need confirmation that playing the right way will suceed even though the last two months have just been the worst poker swing of my life. It's not the money just the feeling that "What else can I do" that you get when someone kicks ya in the balls

Keep the replys coming the more input i get on this the better

[2Tone]

Hey Gov –

Here in Washington State you can certainly find larger games. Mukelshoot, Diamond Lil's (Renton) and Parker's (Seattle on Aurora) all spread 8/16 pretty regularly, sometimes higher. And Tulalip features a $200 buy-in NL game.

But like you, I'm slumming with you at 3/6 and 4/8 in Seattle. In general, I'm finding the games not as quite as loose/aggro as you describe. But then again I'm playing mostly weekdays, and have heard the weekends are a little crazier.

Have you read Miller/Slansky's Small Stakes Hold 'Em? It is very helpful.

But the biggest thing I've found necessary to beat these games is patience. Knowing that many pots are going to be raised pre-flopped is even more reason not to play marginal hands in early position pre-flop. I love hands that play well in multi-way plots (AceX suited), while I'm not playing middle pairs past the turn unless I hit my set, because it takes at least two pair to win the pot.

Keep an eye on the high-hand jackpot board, featured in almost all the local card rooms. If the straight flush jackpot is high enough, you can count on players calling a three bets with 3/6 suited.

On bad days, I'm going to lose my $100 buy-in when a paired board on the river makes my high flush worthless, etc. But for every one of those of I'll have three sessions when I make $40 or $50 in a couple of hours play.

[Zybomb]

The NL Live Game that I play at is a bit similiar to this. No there arent people with 74o calling flop bets and hitting running 4s or anything... but in the sense that a typical unraised pot has 6 players on average in it, and the range of hands is fairly broad. This is easier to adapt to in NL than Limit obviously, since you cant force anyone out.

In my non expert limit opinion, I'd see flops with MORE hands. That's right more. Ace X suited, Suited connectors/ 1 gappers and baby pairs ESPECIALLY. I'd of course still see with medium/big pairs and big cards, but I'd value off suit broadway a little lower than usual cuz of it's lack of versitility and liklihood to only give me one pair (even if it is the top one). In this type of game it seems as picking up a big drawing hand like JTs would probably be more ideal than picking up Aces, as you'd know where you were at a bit easier and get paid off when you hit and not lose any more when you didnt.

From the way you described this game, very rarely bluff, and very rarely slowplay. Wait for big hands and get paid off huge. Draw without worries (still not against odds) and count implied odds odd more than usual since it seems you'll get paid off each time. In addition when you have a strong hand and aren't sure where you may be at. UTILIZE THE CHECK CALL OPTION on later streets.

Finally don't let the loose play change your hand selection. Well, it should effect it -- Yes I told you in the beginning to open it up -- but I meant see flops with hands that hit. The more possibilities a hand has the better it is in this situation. This doesn't mean play K7o or 82s because someone just won with 73 last pot -- don't go to their level. But you wanna be seeing as many flops as possibile with solid starting hands, because your implied odds seem so large (and you always seem to be getting 6:1 on your money... so 1 win in 6 breaks you even if you don't win any more money in that hand (not the case)...you'll come out ahead.

Again, I don't play limit -- but that's my take.

[eejit101]

thats some damn solid advice for a NL player.

If i coud write what he said, thats my advice too