Neteller Scam (important)

eejit101 · #1 12-13-06, 03:17 AM

Iif you receive and email from NETELLER with something similar to what is below.....DO NOT log into neteller through the link they provide.

This email is not from neteller and you will have your funds stolen if you do.

It is a scam to get your log in details....

Looks a little like this, well exactly i think.

"Dear Customer,

According to our registries, we have recently detected that your account has been accessed from different IP addresses. This could be happening because your computer's IP address is dynamic and varies constantly, or because you have used more than one computer to access your account. Due to this event and in fulfillment with the current legislation, we have updated our computer systems to offer greater security to our clients, thus we will need you to access your account and verify it's recent activity. The security procedures require that you verify the activity in your account before December 14th, 2006. Otherwise, passed this date, our automated computer security system will suspend your account indefinitely.

In order to access your account and to verify it's activity, you must click on the link below:"

Talking Poker · #2 12-13-06, 03:33 AM

I get about 50 of these a day (exaggeration, but I do get a lot) from PayPal, ebay, Washington Mutual, and countless other financial institutions where I don't even have accounts! It's called "fishing" and is apparently incredibly effective.

DO NOT click on links sent to you in emails. Go to the site directly. If you do click on the link for some reason, be damn sure the address in your address bar says:
(in this example)
and not something like

or

or

or
whatever else.

eejit101 · #3 12-13-06, 05:34 AM

uhhuh. i thought id point this one out as it looks completely genuine to the last detail

Penguinfan · #4 12-13-06, 07:51 AM

I think we all get junk like this pretty often, but I think it's good to point it out now and then as well for a reminder.

I think the dead giveaway that you have been screwed is if there is not an "S" at the end of the httpS:// in the address bar after log in you know you need to notify the real site you gave away your password by accident immediatly.

All of paypal's and neteller's sites post log in are secure sites and would have the "S" at the end to signify it.

JDMcNugent7 · #5 12-13-06, 08:17 AM

I'm pretty sure I never get junk mail. I have no idea why, but I seriously never get stuff like this.

GeoffM · #6 12-13-06, 11:04 AM

I'll never use links on emails. If I get an email from neteller or something, I will delete, sign out of email, then go to the page manually.

Robbie Robb · #7 12-13-06, 11:51 AM

This is EXACTLY what I do and what everyone should do. My only exception to this would be if I get an email from, as an example, eBay relating directly to an auction I just won and was expecting the email. Even then, before clicking on the link, I still verify that it really is going to the eBay/Paypal site.

bunny · #8 12-13-06, 12:34 PM

Next time, add it to your junk folder first. This way, if you get another email from them, it will automatically go into your junk e-email section. I have my junk e-mail box set up to delete all emails, longer than 5 days old.

I check the junk section, once in awhile; the most common e-mail spam I have received is from EBaY.

Talking Poker · #9 12-13-06, 02:06 PM

uhhhhh. Yeah, they all do.

Of course, you left off the link for some reason, so we can't see which of the above examples I listed it matches most closely. But I'm guessing it's one of them. The link sure as hell wasn't or else there wouldn't be a problem.

Talking Poker · #10 12-13-06, 02:08 PM

While I agree with what you are saying, you can't seriously think the "dead giveaway" is the absence or presence of the letter "s" as opposed to a completely different domain name like the examples I listed above. And "after log in," isn't it too late???

I mean, I know people fall for this shit all the time, but I've never really understood how.

Penguinfan · #11 12-13-06, 05:13 PM

Once, in a reply to a thread or in a PM you told me you consider most average people to be either drunk, stupid, or both.

That would explain how they fall for stuff like this. I guess enough people must fall for it or the scammers wouldn't bother trying.

Talking Poker · #12 12-13-06, 05:37 PM

You are absolutely right.

And what really pisses me off is how many people actually BUY PRODUCTS (penis enlargement, V|gaRr@, you freaking name it) from spammers. Cause if they didn't, there would be no spam.

I hate those people with the passion of 1000 suns.

2Tone · #13 12-13-06, 06:47 PM

I’m going to draw a distinction here.

I empathize w/ phishing victims. The elderly -- or any other popular that isn’t very tech savvy -- receives an official-looking email with all the right logos. They’ve heard of the dangers of identity theft, and want to do the right thing. So they click-thru and follow instructions, thinking they are protecting themselves, and end up giving away their password. These people are legitimate victims.

Now on the other hand, the tool who actually responds to a spam email that asks him to pay money for magic pills that will make his dick bigger. Of course, the fraudulent spammers deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. But I have trouble mustering much sympathy for any of their customers, even if they do their credit card hijacked.

bunny · #14 12-14-06, 12:00 PM

Here's another one which really confused me, since I wasn't the sender of this e-mail, but the postmaster returned it to my address?

Can anyone make any sense out of this one? (I removed my email address & added * to it, but it was sent to my address)

From : <postmaster@hotmail.com>
Sent : December 1, 2006 9:03:49 AM
To : **********@hotmail.com (my e-mail address)
Subject : Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

Go to previous message | Go to next message | Delete | Inbox

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

From: Doctor Helmut Bernhard <admin8641432@shop423431929sysshop.com>
To: <fiigmo_jimi_182@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Message 4370723
Sent: December 1, 2006 9:03:49 AM

Thanks for your READ!

Want to manage your order online?
If you need to check the status of your order or make changes, please visit our home page and click on Your Account at the top of any page.

Talking Poker · #15 12-14-06, 01:30 PM

I don't understand the question. It's just spam. You can easily fake who spam is from.

I could very easily send you spam with a subject line of "Delivery Status Notification (Failure)" and make it look like it's from hotmail... OR.... i could send spam to some bad address and make it look like it's from YOU, and then when it bounces, you'd get the bounce.

I assume there was some sort of link in the email, because if it was just text like this, well, that's kind of pointless.

bunny · #16 12-14-06, 06:14 PM

It was for Viagra online.

This is HOTMAIL, though. is a hotmail service. (If you try to send an e-mail to an unknown or bounced address, your e-mail will be sent back to you.)

Sole reason I opened the e-mail & read it. When I saw it was spam for Viagra, I ignored it.

Question which confuses me is, if it was sent by the hotmail staff (postmaster) how could they mistaken my address with his? This type of e-mail is not the first, there have been many sent to my address in error. Makes me wonder about hotmail or their staff.

Talking Poker · #17 12-14-06, 07:31 PM

You are missing the point. I can very easily send you an email from or from your own email address or even from if you would like me to. It won't REALLY be from those addresses, of course, but to the level that you looked to see who this was from, it will certainly look like it is.

Just like eejit's email looked like it was from Neteller and all the ebay ones look like they are from ebay. I promise you though, those sites are not trying to scam you to get your log in info - they already have it.

Shrewd · #18 12-14-06, 10:10 PM

So.....like.....the penis enlargement products don't work?

Talking Poker · #19 12-14-06, 10:48 PM

Nice first post.

Welcome to the forum.

bunny · #20 12-15-06, 12:30 AM

You cannot send an e-mail from , that address is reserved for Hotmail. Either this cold medicine is confusing me or you are. I guess you'll have to show me.

Talking Poker · #21 12-15-06, 01:06 AM

Give me your email address and I'll send you an email from anyone you want, including that address if you like.

PShabi · #22 12-15-06, 01:59 AM

The fact that this thread has 20+ replies is mind-numbing.

slaughter9 · #23 12-15-06, 08:09 PM

How can you send an e-mail from any address? Or how can you make it look like it's from any address? Man, I'm confused.

Robbie Robb · #24 12-16-06, 01:46 AM

oh man. basic SMTP manipulation 101. I remember doing this shit back in University using PINE. I used to send my friends (X-Files fans) emails from and . Ahhh the memories.

This would be a good time to point out that 99% of those spam emails you get are not being sent from the address listed. The spammers have randomly picked/generated an email address to put in as the sender info. I've had it happen to me - some spammers have used one of my domains in the past. It sucks, but meh, whatcha gonna do?

Talking Poker · #25 12-16-06, 02:31 AM

Right, of course.

As bunny will confirm, not long after PMing me earlier today, she got an email from God. Turns out his email address is and he used a subject line of "Delivery Status Notification (Failure)" even though there was no failure!!!

Oh, that wacky God.

I could send anyone an email that (at a glance) looks like it is from anyone else, with about 8 seconds of "work" (changing my name and return address) on this end. This is nothing that you haven't been able to do for years, and it's not exactly top secret technology either. It depends on your email program, but it's usually as simple as clicking on "Properties" or whatever and just changing your name and Return address. Bingo.