You guys that actually make money at this....

[Penguinfan]

Where do you make most of it?

MTT's
SNG's
Limit ring games
NL ring games

Making money in the long haul at MTT's seems like a rough road to travel with long dry spells between decent cashes, though one big win could make your year.

I see a lot of people who say they play only SNG's, and I guess that where I do the best personally.

I have always heard limit ring games are where people pile up the money but whenever I sit down at a cash ring game I simply hemmorage chips. Not just now and then, but every time I play in a ring game either limit or NL. Maybe it's because I play at such low limits but it's not uncommon to have AK and get a board of A7639 and somone has 3-9. I'm not complaining about bad beats, but I just can't put someone on a hand in limit ring games.

Where are you guys making money and how?

[BrianSwa]

im probolly most losing player but I KNOW where i lose my money at. I lose it all in cash/ring games, if I would stick to STT and MTT I think I would do fine seeing as according to my pokertracker and my own notes I do the best in those. I seem to do really good in them and for some reason have alot of patience in them. In ring or cash games Its just so easy to move up levels even without the correct bankroll and thats where my problem comes in.

As for MTT and STT your money is already paid so there is no risk.

[Zybomb]

I've gotten annoyed at online tournaments as of late... it seems the play is very loose and calling-station like. Now in a cash game that is good, but in a tournament where you need to make bluffs more often, you need to steal blinds, and you need to make moves if you arent getting dealt to avoid being blinded out, this hurts your overall strategy tremendously

It seems most earn their bulk at limit cash games... me I cant play limit very often. I just can't. Most of my game involves pushing players off hands when I know they are weak but better than me,denying drawing hands correct odds, limiting the field to 1 or the most 2 callers with a strong Preflop raise, and elminating bad beats by forcing players to call large bets if they want to suck out..... in limit this doesn't work... I don't like 'showdown' poker, I don't like how people can chase with an over and a backdoor draw and be correct in doing so mathamatically.

So for me it's NL cash games... lately LIVE NL Cash games... I've began increasing my reading abilities, and have also began picking up more physical tells of different players.... my friend gave me a huge piece of advice, he said I tend to hold my breath when I bluff or bet quicker than normal when I bluff.... I didn't really notice any of these two things...in fact I could swear he's incorrect... but Im gunna watch for them now....

[BrianSwa]

I would love to sit with you sometime zy, I prefer live but would take online also. I feel I could learn alot from you and im soo thankful that you are part of this forum.

[coolieo69er]

Back in the day when I first started out I playe low stakes no limit holdem. Lately though have been playing alot is sit and go's. I find them easier to make a profit at the a cash game or a tournement. I cash in them about 60% of the time. I also used to be a big tournement player but that has died down because I realized it's much harder to cash and I was pretty bad in the big ones. Overall I fin sit and gos are the best fo me if I want to make some cizash

[BrianSwa]

90%????


sorry but this has got to be a lie, not even online pros like Gank or Justin cash this much in them. Dont mean to say you are a lier maybe your just exagerating but if you cash in 90% of them thats like 9 out of 10 you cash in and thats amazing.

[coolieo69er]

Sorry about that I mad a very sevre typo. I edited the first post so I don't mix up any one else.

[Zybomb]

eh Im nothing special... if I actually listened to half of my advice when I played I might be better than I am ... you wont believe how many times I limp with J10, Q10 QJ etc in EP when I havent been getting dealt anything for a while

[BrianSwa]

but the way you think about the game and the thought process you go through on every hand is something I would like to get better at. I think thats one of my problems is I dont think through hands as much as I should and just go on instincts, which is ok sometimes but more often I would rather think through my moves more.

its been said many times before you are a great addition to this forum and I totally agree, keep posting ZY.

[Ando05]

i made most of my money playing SnGs because there are not a lot of people and if you play tight you usually make it in the money. i hate ring games because people just go in without even having a hand and they win. MTTs are ok i win some and lose some. for me its SnGs all the way.

[thrash1294]

I play rings mostly and win most sessions.The thing with ring games is play premium hands ,also knowing when a seat is cold and leaving as soon as you realize it.I have a rule 3 orbits no hands won then its time to bail.

[johnp158]

You must be kidding. OK people, please don't give advice about gambling if you yourself need to do some serious review of fallacies.

I play .50/1 NL currently. Might think about getting back into limit at some point, since that's where the real, consistent money supposedly is for most people.

[Talking Poker]

You know that's ridiculous, right? I mean, you know there's not such thing as hot and cold seats, right?

[savoryyoda]

Trying to answer this question is going to make me confront some foolish myths that I cling to for some reason. For example, I believe that I can sit down in a cash game (either limit or NL) and play tight solid poker and make money most of the time. But the truth is that I tend to loosen up after an hour and start throwing my chips around the table. Some days it's a good thing, usually its not. SNG's are a good source of income for me, but I haven't been playing at stakes that will have an impact on my bankroll. Usually I stick to $5-$20 SNG's and after a day of playing I rarely walk away up more than $60. So, for me, it's been MTT. I enjoy them more (the extra drama of increasing blinds and changing styles is what keeps me playing) and I've been fortunate enough to have a few big cashes that off set losses at live tables. I make a point of playing a lot of direct entry tournaments and have turned a few $5 and $10 buy in's into $300+ wins. The only downside has been that if I have a cold month, very little money comes back into the account and my bankroll shrinks while I wait for a 'good day' (those ones where my good hands holds up, my timing is on, and I get lucky when I need to).

[thrash1294]

In online poker you dont belive in a cold seat? now you must be crazy.

[lightfungus]

MTT and STT.

[Talking Poker]

So, what you are telling me is when the cards are shuffled, they secretly get together and look around the table to predetermine their order, in order to keep some seats hot and other cold?

Yeah, I'm the crazy one.

And the roullette ball gives a shit if it landed on Black or Red the previous spin too. Sure it does.

[redsox4life]

Personally i am a NL fan. If you are patient the money will come in.. its those people out there who start playing Q9 suited like aces that bother me. This is why i try to keep in the tournaments or sit&gos, when i do this not only do i get hours on my simple buy in of a $1.20 or $5.50 etc. but i find that you play with better players playing better hands, this is how you should get good.

[PShabi]

Limit cash games. I've won at every level I've been at prior to 5/10. I'm breaking even there right now, but I feel good about my game. I've been playing very well as of late.

I play an occasional NLHE $20SNG and a rare MTT or satellite when I can't take it no more.

[PShabi]

You are missing out by not getting into 6-max limit. I think you'd enjoy it and the opportunity for gains is pretty damn big.

[nflchad]

NL ring games are what I make the most at. I discovered that despite my efforts to improve myself I can't beat the 20+2's on PP. I love MTT's and they are what I'm best at but they're simply to unstable for me to play them very frequently. I wish that I could maintain my focus in limit ring games since they're an absolute goldmine but I always find myself playing 6+ tables (poorly) and still surfing the net.

[melioris]

I exclusively play NL ring games with moderate success, meaning my bankroll has grown at an exceptable rate. If I have a secret, it is good bankroll management. To win at NL ring games, I force myself to play with a bankroll of 20 buy-ins per table. With this coverage, the money really doesn’t matter that much and I can play my game. I grinded it out at micro limit tables to build that bankroll, then switched to micro ($25 buy-in) NL. I am only at two NL $50 buy-in tables right now, so this ain't gospel.

My biggest weakness is the “I am playing great poker and have had only winning sessions for a week” tilt. Suffered a bout of that this afternoon and donkeyed off three buy-ins.

Ah, 10 days of disciplined hard work gone in 45 mins.

[jaeh00d]

I usually lay either online or at the casino here in miami. There is a casino pretty much down the street from me ( 5 miles ) and i play a lot o oturnaments there. Not huge stakes but about a $200 buy in. Those are usally 18 player two table tournaments. Winner taes about tw grand there and they pay op 5 places. Best i ever got there was 2nd place once, and fifth place twice. Thats about the highest stakes I have ever played. But, there is a tournament up north at the Hard Rock casino $125 buy in but a field of up to 90. I am gonna make thje trip there one of these nights and see how i do.

[drewjax]

limit ring games. I really didnt play too much this summer (cashed out alot of bankroll). Sort of did some research and played a bunch of different kinds of poker online for low stakes. I played some stud on bodog, alot more NL ring games, STT/MTT, some short handed, heads up sng's (only to get knocked out first round again in the tphe tourney). Having looked at everything I dont know why I ever doubted that limit is the way to go. Basically I think that you can really focus on your own game, it doesnt matter too much how the other players play. It is easier to adapt, imo, to different styles of players. For instance, last night I sat at a $25NL table at Party. There was this absolute donkey 2 seats to my right. I know this term is thrown around but I am not kidding. I specifically recall that he pushed allin w/ 94o, again w/ J2o, and if I am not mistaken called an allin w/ 72o after the flop w/ nothing. He was overbetting the pot like crazy, limp, limp raise to $7, that sort of thing. Anyway I was just waiting to double up thru him, but of course I knew I would probably have to risk my stack to do it. I never got the hand to do it, and made exactly $1 when I left right after him. He sort of had me on my heels abit. If this was a limit table, I would be salivating. I could call his raise w/ JTs and try to take down a big one. No biggie.
I just think that you can feel good about making the correct decision over, and over, and over again. And you wont take the jolting suckouts for 60BB that seem to criple me. I guess it is more of a grind, but if you just pay attention, and work to adapt and improve, you will make money. I have heard many players say that the play doesnt really improve that much as you move up in limits, playing lhe as opposed to nlhe.
The only other thing I will add, is that I think it would be advantageous for me, and others, to learn to play (limit) omaha hi/lo.....

[drewjax]

Ah, 10 days of disciplined hard work gone in 45 mins.[/quote]

This is why I think limit is the way to go. To blow 3 buyins, you would really have to be running cold, or donking away. Maybe its strictly less variance in limit vs. nl but either way the mental and actual hit you can take in nl is tough.