2+2 Vannessa Rousso thread

[Kurn]

Reading that has been the most fun I've had on a non-TP poker board in ages.

I normally refrain from directing folks away from this forum, but this sounds like some serious spoiled-hollywood-starlet type shit.


And a whole lot of

[Talking Poker]

Summary, please?

Or at least a few quotes of the good stuff....?

[Zybomb]

Yea please... Its annoying how u have to go to a new page to read each post BTW -- and Im at work

[PShabi]

Click on "flat," then "show all," Zy.

[MAYHEM45]

lol, donk.

Vanessa Rousso is retarded, she is pretty much terrible from the limited experience I had playing to her direct left (jesus seat zomg) for 20 minutes before she busted in the 2k event. She did smell nice though, lol.

[Wes]

same thoughts on her

[Invigilator]

I can deal with people being stupid on thier own, but Chad Brown wanting to fight the guy who berated her? Give me a break, what is this, 10th grade?

[Kurn]

WSOP NLHE 6 max. Blinds 100/200 VR on the button with ~12,000, short stack on her right with 2150, big stack in the BB with 25,000.

VR has AJs: , Shorty raises to 600, VR calls , SB folds, BB raises to like 2000 (VR says he'd done this a lot), shorty shoves for 150 more, VR calls, BB calls.

Flop: A-A-2 rainbow.

Big stack checks, VR checks

Turn: T (puts FD on the board)

BB checks, VR bets 2,000 BB shoves

VR now goes into the tank for a long friggin' time, finally puts BB on exactly TT and folds. (BB indeed has TT)

Now here's where the fun begins. VR says that while she's in the tank, she talks a bit about could BB make that move with KK, but finally folds. She then claims she said so when the big stack apologized for sucking out I smiled and said “that’s poker, nice hand.” Then I turned to the table generally and said, “Hey guys sorry that took so long, I hate to do that but it was for my tournament life and as you can see it was a really tough lay down.”
At that point she says a player who was not in the hand begins to get abusive with her. Later, after she busts out, she and boyfriend Chad Brown find the 3rd player ("randomly", she says) and the ex-actor tries to intimidate the other guy who walks away.

Now, some other posters, who know the third guy, chime in and say he's like the most mellow guy in the world and would never do that, THEN, the short-stack weighs in and says no way it went down like VR says, that she abused the crap out of the BB while in the tank calling him names for shoving with KK, and that all the third guy did was say something like "it's your own fault for letting him stick around."

Personally, I don't think she butchered the hand all that bad, Other than the flat call of the first raise, which I think was terrible, I can make a good case for calling the reraise and checking behind on the flop. She just got unlucky.

That being said, I don't think she's all that great a player. IMO Katja Thater would clean her clock in a cash game, but from what I understand, VR doesn't really play live cash games, and Katja does.

The balance of the thread is one of those hilarious 2+2 donk-fest commentaries.

[Kurn]

I'll give Chad a bit of a pass here. 1) we don't know exactly what he said to the other guy, and 2) If some stranger had upset my GF, I'd be prone to having a chat with him. I wouldn't call him out, but I'd make it clear that if a pattern emerged, he and I would indeed have a problem.

[Invigilator]

I'll agree with you if the guy said anything about anything other than the cards and the play. If he went after her as a person, I'll give the pass too.

EDIT: Just saw your other post and am reading it...

EDIT 2: I find the disagreement about how it went down interesting. hmmmmm...

[bunny]

My hand is tired, from scrolling to the bottom to view the rest of the posts. And... what is it with all the messed up dates on the posts? They don't seem to follow a time &/or date pattern? The posters get added to whatever quote they reply to, but the dates and times don 't match up.

I didn't know there was this option. Wonder if Zy feels as silly as I do, now? hehe

[Talking Poker]

My God I hate reading 2+2, but I'm glad people point us there once in a while... The Captain Tom penis on Brandy's back will forever be my favorite thread, but this one is worth scrolling through as well.

Here is a summary of the drama for those who don't want the carpel tunnel. Of course, if you want to see all the photoshop madness, you'll need to visit the thread. Anyhoo, direct quotes from 2+2:

Someone asks for more details on this:

Vanessa Rousso Eliminated
Vanessa Rousso has been eliminated from today's event and was in a very distraught state as she left Amazon Room due to some unknown altercation at her table.

Aaron Bean responds:

um she berated a guy for "2 outering" her after she checked behind (and screwed up every other decision in the hand, while constantly talking, calling the guy "an idiot with kk," and taking so long the dealer had to call a clock) and then i called her on it after the hand was over(i say anything insulting other than that she screwed up the hand) and then she tilted her stack off to some other guy at the table and left. chad approached me in the hallway of the rio later that day and wanted to fight but that didn't seem like a good idea so i walked away.

Vanessa chimes in with her "version" of the story:

Here is the true sequence of events:
I get moved to a new table with 12000 in chips. I am there less than 10 hands when I get dealt AJ suited on the button (6 handed tournament by the way). Checks to cutoff short stack player who raises to 600 (100, 200 blinds). I call. Aggressive big stack in the big blind re raises to 2000 (this is an important note…this player did this several times before in only the last ten hands, either he was being hit with the deck or he was steamrolling with his 25K+ stack when average stack was only 6K or so, so he can’t be given too much credit). Small stack pushes all in for 2150 (which means if I call the big blind big stack can’t re-raise because 150 is not considered an actual raise). I make an aggressive call of 1550 more because I was getting more than 3:1 on my money, we were shorthanded so AJ is stronger than in ring games, and I still have a healthy 10K (almost double average) stack even if I lose. Flop comes A A 2 rainbow. Big stack checks and I check. 10 comes on the turn putting up a flush draw. Big stack checks and I bet 2K with my trip aces. Big stack insta-pushes all in for my remaining 8K. This was a very difficult decision. I didn’t think he would push so fast without thinking first with an Ace (it wasn't like he tought about how to get the most out of me which is what a player with trips would do in that scenario)…then I remembered something he said after I called the 2150 pre-flop. He asked the dealer if he could re-raise. The way he said it, he didn’t seem to be happy about a 3-way pot. This made me feel confident he possessed a big pair. He couldn’t have aces since I had an ace. So that left KK, QQ, JJ, and Tens. I thought that he was aggressive enough to put this kind of move on with KK since the pot was so big and given his past play. But eventually I settled on the fact that he had Tens, he hit the two-outer on the turn and realized I must have trip aces and thought he could easily get my whole stack right there with a push all in.
That left me with one more thing to think about before I settled on a fold. Was I getting the pot odds to call even if I was behind? I had one ace in the deck, three jacks, and three twos to help me…that is 7 outs…but with only one card to come that is about 14% so I need to get more than 6:1 to make the call. I would only be getting about half that, so folding was the right play. At this point seat one (another player not in the hand) calls time and I am forced to make a decision. All in all I took maybe 4 minutes to make what was one of the toughest lay downs I have had to make in a while. I muck the Ace and show it, and the big stack says good read and shows the pocket tens. I was really happy to have made the correct decision, so when the big stack apologized for sucking out I smiled and said “that’s poker, nice hand.” Then I turned to the table generally and said, “Hey guys sorry that took so long, I hate to do that but it was for my tournament life and as you can see it was a really tough lay down.”
I wish that was the end of the story. As the dealer is dealing the next hand, someone I have never before seen or heard of in seat five (who wasn’t even in the hand) says in my general direction, “You are awful.” I turned to him and said, “Excuse me, what did you just say?” He looked me square in the eye and said, “You are awful, you played the whole hand like an idiot, you let him get there.” I just lost half my stack and this random guy is seriously going to needle me??!?!? Are you kidding me, is he for real? I say to him, “I’m sorry…am I confused? Did you buy me in? Because I could have sworn I bought myself in to this tournament. So I will tell you what: when you are the one ponying up 2500$ for me, then I will play like you think I should. But as long as I’m paying my own buyins, I am going to play the way I see fit.” It should have ended right there.
He looks me straight in the eye again and says, “You are pathetic.” I turn away and say, “You know what? You aren’t even worth it, I’m ignoring you from here on out.” He still will not quit. He says, “Not worth what, Idiot?” I ignore him and he calls me “pathetic” yet again, mumbling other comments in between half-smirks for the next ten minutes. He really, really, really went too far. In the end, I did not even give him the time of day for the next 30 minutes until I was eliminated.
I later found out that the guy was Aaron Been. I read Aaron’s post where he says I called the big stack an idiot with kings. He is a liar—and that doesn’t even make any sense, why would I (or anyone) have said that when the guy had TENS!!!! Moreover, I, unlike others, do not need to stoop to name calling at the table to try to get an edge. The big stack and I got along very well and when I was later eliminated he again apologized for always seeming to have the best of it when I picked up good hands too…I wished him and the others luck and left.
This was truly the most bizarre and confusing random act of anger I have ever seen. I mean I have never even spoken to this kid before! Clearly Aaron was steaming (he had a short stack) for reasons unbeknownst to me and he just decided to lose his [censored] for his own messed up reasons. Get some help buddy.
When Chad and I randomly ran into Aaron a few hours later in the hall of the Rio, Chad asked Aaron if he had a problem with me he wanted to address. Aaron didn’t deny a thing when Chad verified he had acted the way I had recounted. So Chad asked him to apologize and Aaron stood there in silence—not that I would think he would have the class to be a man and apologize for such blatantly indefensible rudeness. Chad stuck up for me the way I would hope any guy would stick up for their girlfriend when they are blatantly and FOR NO REAON (on the heels of an apology to the table for taking extra time no less!!) disrespected and essentially abused at the poker table.
I must have made a really easy target for Aaron. What a tough guy…he can pick on a 24 year old girl at a poker table when she has no recourse whatsoever but to ignore him…he must have felt really tough!!!
And as far as Aaron’s evaluation of my play: I might respect his opinion a little more when he has more than 5% of my live tournament career earnings.
I play poker for a living. I am sorry that people have such disrespect for the game and for other humans in general that they can act how Aaron did. In my opinion, he degrades poker and himself when he acts like that. He was unsportsmanlike, rude, abusive, inappropriate, and genuinely seemed to enjoy his attempt to hurt me. I hate to break it to you Aaron, but the only thing ‘pathetic’ at that table, was you.

Aaron again:

I didn't comment on anything other than how she played the hand. Anyone who has played with me won't believe this stuff. I've played hundreds of hours with many posters and no one has seen me steaming once or getting into it with people or anything. I literally never tilt or berate people or anything. Vanessa's account on the other hand seems to exist only to post in these stupid drama threads.

And again:

First of all I never called Vanessa an idiot or pathetic. The exhcange she has in quotes is inaccurate, she actually said I was not worth it and bad and I said "bad at what?" while laughing and then we both stopped talking. At some point she said "who the [censored] are you?" Insulting things I said included that she misplayed every street and could not have played the hand worse. I probably said she played terribly as well. Guilty as charged.
Also she was the first one to say right as the shortstack shoved that the 3bettor couldn't reraise. Also the flop was AA4 with two diamonds. During the hand she said that the three bettor might be an idiot with kings and after the hand she kept saying it was so sick that he had 2 outed her. (Also she was not happy about the dealer calling the clock which is debatable but she did take well over 4 minutes.) That's when I first opened my mouth (BIG MISTAKE!). And LOL at her lasting 30 more minutes. After the ax debacle (she mucked with only an ace face up so im not sure she was even as strong as aj) she played a few pots and doubled up with jj allin preflop vs ak. Then she overcalled an ep raise from the sb with 910o one or two orbits later and then check called a q9x flop and check called a turn shove on a rag and lost to kq and got up and left.
Hopefully some of the guys from our table post on 2p2 and they can chime in. Seats 1, 2, and I had a good laugh about it after Vanessa left (honestly I wouldn't have if I had known how upset she was.)

Eyewitness account of the Chad Brown confrontation:

chad got in his face like a roided up neanderthal while aaron just stood there with a dumb smirk on his face while i was laughing hysterically 2 feet away. chad kept calling him a "pussy" and kept puffing up his chest more and more as he got closer to aaron's face.
the most ridiculous part was chad demanding that a harrah's floor person who stepped in make aaron apologize or else have him removed from the property. after that line, aaron just said "we're leaving" and we walked off to my car.

Random dude sums up the thread for us all:

This thread has been hilarious on so many levels
1. Neither Peter North or Chad Brown can act
2. Chad Brown OPENLY threatened the young guy right in front of me and a few dozen others (I almost stepped in but thought of Richard Brodie and a certain 86ing I would get if I hit the aforementioned actor goon)
3. Vanessa Rousso is perhaps the most obnoxious little drama queen I have ever had the displeasure of being seated near, IT does not shut up all frickin day EVER, whine whine whine.....stfu already..
4. Rousso has openly berated others play in my presence on numerous occassions
5. Rousso has annoyed the beJesus out of many a long time pro with slow rolls, game theory (this is not bond arbitrage my dear), annoying pathetic calls and suck outs followed up by speeches, ridiculously long hand times where calling a clock is the only way to get her to stfu
6. A mate was at the table concerned and relays the story pretty much as Rowan Atkinson's son relates it here not as Miss Rousso does
7. Sledging, trash talking etc is common-place in sports (even golf and poker now) and while I HATE it on the green felt it is just part of the sport, live with it. BUT here we have a case where a known annoying sledger calls out someone who by my understanding was giving something back and stopping her berating the pocket 10s dude for NOT SUCKING OUT (she checked the frickin flop)

And there you have it. MY personal favorite part of all of this:

-Vanessa's "aggressive call" preflop. I'm actually surprised that the all in guy didn't fold after a call that aggressive, let alone the guy who had to call another 150 chips!

[Zybomb]

LMAO

[Kurn]

Not for nothin' (as we say in Rhode Island), but I guess English language skills aren't a real big prerequisite at Duke (where VR allegedly went to school).

"2 outering"

Referring to her 1550 call as "aggressive" when she should call it "speculative."

Now she's dating a washed-up actor. next she'll be hanging with Lindsey Lohan. She's already whining like Paris Hilton.

[Invigilator]

Did VR post that on another forum? Maybe she will get fed up there and come here.

[Kurn]

No. TP's quote is straight from the 2+2 NVG thread.