BlackJack @ PartyPoker

rookette22 · #1 02-01-06, 12:10 PM

IT'S FIXED ...I TELL YA!

CHEATERS!!!!

Talking Poker · #2 02-01-06, 01:22 PM

Please tell me you aren't playing Black Jack.

rookette22 · #3 02-01-06, 01:33 PM

Ok ....I won't tell you I am.

*I was a little while ago...but not anymore; never ever again. Lost $10.

PShabi · #4 02-01-06, 02:45 PM

I consider myself to have a great amount of self-discipline. I'm well-educated and understand EV. I know that blackjack is -EV, yet even I have played fucking party blackjack.

I just threw up in my mouth.

rookette22 · #5 02-01-06, 02:47 PM

eww...yuck! *place disgusted smiley here*

eejit101 · #6 02-01-06, 02:52 PM

LOL, thats.......nice. I play BJ at paradise and at party a little bit. Its a good break for a few minutes. However when i am playing at an online casino i do play BJ alot. Its simple, but the complexities behind it are very hard to figure out. Most people will hit 15 for example against a dealer T/J/Q/K/A. but i will stand. there is a 50/50 (nearly) shot that the dealer wont make 17. Its a fun game, and i seem to win alot at it. Playing at paradise earlier, had $56 left in my account, just cashed out $200 from a very strategic double. and left in the $56 again.

Its a good game, but you need to know it.

rookette22 · #7 02-01-06, 02:56 PM

Sweet......

PShabi · #8 02-01-06, 03:15 PM

Even if you "know it," you're still GUARANTEED to be a loser in the long term.

eejit101 · #9 02-01-06, 03:18 PM

Have to disagree, with the surrender button the casino is giving a lot fo advantage back to the player. The way that you "push" if its a tie aswell helps the player. If i add it together with the way i play the game, basically standing on anything over 14, and occasionally twelve if i feel its right, i reckon by my stats on here i am 50/50 on average.

What advantage is the house getting (apart from card fixing if possibe). We push on a split, we can surrender half our bet if were fucked, they are giving the player every possible advantage, if they know how to play the game it can be beaten, or at least broke even on on the long run)

rookette22 · #10 02-01-06, 03:25 PM

Well the way I see it is like this...with online BlackJack; seems that it's fixed for the dealer to win. With casino in real life BlackJack....it's the ppl playing at the same table as you that make or break you. I've even seen fights break, (the very few times I've been at the casino); for someone thinking they made a bad call on a hand.

MAYHEM45 · #11 02-01-06, 03:45 PM

This thread makes my brain bleed.

Its math people. Eejit, you are wrong.

eejit101 · #12 02-01-06, 04:00 PM

You just said its math. Then saying i am wrong? No offense but all i explained about was the math of it! The dges the house normally has are lost by pushes and surrenders e.t.c.

I tell you what, if i am wrong then tell me why i dont lose evry much? I play it alot and win alot. And over the course of my life i am not down of this game? And i havent played like 100 hands. i mean well over 10,000.

2Tone · #13 02-01-06, 04:07 PM

Though I'll occasionally sit at a table if I'm in Vegas on a gambling binge.

I've done some reading, and my understanding, though I could be wrong, is …

- Even if played absolutely perfectly under the best conditions, the house retains a (very) small edge. The exception to this is if you can successfully maintain a card count, which is difficult to do and easy to detect.

- That the other players at the table can't/don't influence your results, though many people seem to (mistakenly and/or superstitiously) think otherwise. If you think about it, this makes sense. There are a set number of face cards in the desk, and they are in a random order after a shuffle – by hitting or staying in front of you, it's not like another player can somehow change that.

Finally, there was a great LA Times article awhile back about the Party founder/owner, who has allegedly has a history of rigging blackjack (, article no longer available). I wouldn't play online at all, and especially not at Party.

nflchad · #14 02-01-06, 04:09 PM

Variance in BJ is exponentially greater than in poker, 10k hands is nothing, roughly the equivalent of 1k hands of poker (in other words the stat is almost entirely invalid). If you think that you can play with an edge then why would any casino allow you to play? If you could play with an edge without card counting then everyone would play proffesional blackjack, the fact that this isn't true should prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your wrong.

eejit101 · #15 02-01-06, 04:14 PM

i didnt say i played with an edge, if i did i am very sorry, as this is not true. What i am saying is that with the advantages the house gives you, as well as personaly skill in the game, well not skill, but learning a system, you can win. I reckon im a 51% dog to the 49% advantage against the house. But this is only 1%, and a player can get lucky.

MAYHEM45 · #16 02-01-06, 04:34 PM

Let me guess, you use the martingale system?

MAYHEM45 · #17 02-01-06, 04:37 PM

read up.

eejit101 · #18 02-01-06, 04:41 PM

no, i made my own, works quite well. I looked at a few, took some from each, and made my own. Works for me is all im gonna say.

Boobie Lover · #19 02-01-06, 05:09 PM

You should just play blackjack full time now that you have found the secret to beating the game.

eejit101 · #20 02-01-06, 05:18 PM

I didnt say i can beat the game, i said i am not losing to the game. Not losing and beating the game are 2 different things. My system works for me, it isnt infallible, it doesnt work all the time, and i play quite a bit. Nothing special comes from it, if i wini win, if i lose i lose. Simple really.

MAYHEM45 · #21 02-01-06, 05:20 PM

As long as you are happy playing a negative expectation game and have no problem inevitably losing all your money if you keep playing, cool.

eejit101 · #22 02-01-06, 05:21 PM

i am happy playing a =EV IMO game, and in the end not losing all my money yeah.

Boobie Lover · #23 02-01-06, 05:29 PM

Even if you play the game perfectly (which your strategy is not), unless you count cards, it is a -EV game. You WILL lose money.

MAYHEM45 · #24 02-01-06, 05:29 PM

Man people like you are why casinos will never go out of business.

Nothing personal, please dont read into it like that, but I'm just sayin...

eejit101 · #25 02-01-06, 05:34 PM

not a problem, i understand your looking out for my bankroll. BUt i assure you, ive played BJ for over a year, and have figured out a good system which works for me. I also dont play large stakes. I also dont risk hardly nay of my bankroll, so if i win its all good, if i lose it doesnt matter much. I can win it back in 1 good hand of 2/4 NL