KK bent me over REAL GOOD today....

[Talking Poker]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!


Full Tilt Tournament game, buy-in $160 + 10 Heads Up Shootout (60868067), $25/$50 No Limit, 2 players
Hand History by

BB: T$1495
HERO (Button): T$4505

HERO postsBB posts Big Blind T$50

Pre-flop: K K (T$50)
HERO raises to T$150
BB raises to T$1495 and is all in
HERO calls T$1345

Flop: 7 9 T ($2990)
HERO
Turn: 7 9 T J (T$)

River: 7 9 T J 4 (T$)

BB shows A A
BB wins T$2990 with a pair of Aces

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Full Tilt Tournament game, buy-in $160 + 10 Heads Up Shootout (60903389), $15/$30 No Limit, 2 players
Hand History by

HERO (BB): T$1920
Button: T$1080

Button postsHERO posts Big Blind T$30

Pre-flop: K K (T$30)
Button raises to T$90
HERO raises to T$270
Button calls T$180

Flop: J 5 T ($540)
HERO bets T$360
Button calls T$360

Turn: J 5 T K (T$1260)
HERO bets T$1290 and is all in
Button calls T$450 and is all in

River: J 5 T K 7 (T$3000)

Button shows 9 Q
Button wins T$2160 with a straight King high

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Full Tilt Tournament game, buy-in $200 + 10 Heads Up Sit & Go (60918868), $15/$30 No Limit, 2 players
Hand History by

HERO (BB): T$1590
Button: T$1410

Button postsHERO posts Big Blind T$30

Pre-flop: K K (T$45)
Button calls T$15
HERO raises to T$120
Button calls T$90

Flop: 2 4 6 ($240)
HERO bets T$180
Button calls T$180

Turn: 2 4 6 3 (T$600)
HERO bets T$450
Button raises to T$1110 and is all in
HERO calls T$660

River: 2 4 6 3 2 (T$2820)
HERO HERO
Button shows 3 3
Button wins T$2820 with a full house Threes full of Twos



I'm not in the mood to post the times I got stacked with AA, but let's just say, today was not a good day...................

[2Tone]

So I'll start with acknowledging that is some ridiculously bad luck. And losing that kind of cash with such a premium hand just completely sucks. And by the third time it happened, anybody would be incredibly frustrated.

That being the case …

How often should you make the call of an all-in check raise on the turn with "just" top pair when there’s a one-card straight out there? (We’ll put his actual holding aside as bad luck)

Is it reasonable to find a fold here, or since that would leave you with $660 and the pot the size it is, do you have to call every time in Heads Up?

[Talking Poker]

First, please note that this wasn't cash. Each of these were HU SNGs. Cash pays differently.

That said, he's pretty much never going to show up with a 5 here. I won't say "never," but "very rarely." Had he played it differently, I might be more worried, but in this spot, I think I'm ahead of his range a huge majority of the time.

And I didn't have top pair - I had a big overpair. To answer your question, I don't think I'm ever laying down KK here. He's going to show up with worse hands (A2/A4/A6 would be the most common, if I had to guess) and random bluffs a lot of the time.

You could make a decent case for checking the turn though, and that changes things, but I think I'm still getting it all in.

[melioris]

Are you saying villain never has a 5 never because they are letting it go on the flop if it is a random 5 and raising with 75? What about something like A5? I am just asking the thought process.

[Talking Poker]

I never said never, for starters.

But usually he smooth calls on the turn to allow me to bet again on the river.

This is not a hard and fast rule or anything, but that's how I see most people play it most of the time (and how I would play it in position like this). Especially with 75. 55 and 65 and even A5 are more likely, but still, all of those hands combined make up a small percentage of his range, IMO.

Sometimes I'll run into a set (22, 44 most likely) or two pair here, but usually those guys are happy to get to showdown and don't turn their hands into bluffs like this guy did. (Yes, I know I called him with a worse hand, but that really only happens when I have exactly an overpair)

That's my thinking anyway.

[Robbr25]

I really think you should just fold KOD

[thrash1294]

ON the third hand ?when he went allin after your bet ,what did you have him on? Hard fold kk here

[Talking Poker]

Please see my above two responses.

[Benji]

Yea ur right, but I would check the turn, since villian call from button (weak hand or traping and he didnt 3Bet so weak hand obv.)PF having small PP (trips), 2/pair and straight draw more often in the stakes I play.With that shove I guess I would fold (not being results oriented) knowing that i am dominated. and you can try getting back ingame with 800 and its not turbo.

I play the $10 HUNL SNGs on ipoker..Just my

[thrash1294]

note to self: Read the entire thread before posting

[Talking Poker]

Checking the turn is the better play.

But as played, I would have only had 660 chips left if I folded, not 800. It's certainly not impossible to come back from that, but I still think my hand is good enough of the time (easily, IMO) to justify the call here.

I certainly could be wrong, but that's my take.