Now THAT was a Bad Beat (AA)...

[Talking Poker]

Three cards in the deck that improve his hand. He needs to hit two of them. so naturally.....


5/10 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 31 00:54:58 EST 2005
Table Bad Beat Jackpot 992929 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: db2sw ( $255)
Seat 2: mwpainting29 ( $146)
Seat 3: Talking Poker ( $230)
Seat 4: gogators ( $130.5)
Seat 5: lawngeese6 ( $359.33)
Seat 6: Nautilus60 ( $442)
Seat 7: mondavi15 ( $145.08)
Seat 8: CLF21 ( $203.84)
Seat 9: MCMXLV ( $242)
Seat 10: BigSmooth13 ( $230)
BigSmooth13 posts small blind (2)
db2sw posts big blind (5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Talking Poker [ Ah, Ac ]
mwpainting29 calls (5)
Talking Poker raises (10) to 10
gogators folds.
lawngeese6 folds.
Nautilus60 folds.
mondavi15 folds.
CLF21 calls (10)
MCMXLV folds.
BigSmooth13 folds.
db2sw folds.
mwpainting29 calls (5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 7c, 5c ]
mwpainting29 checks.
Talking Poker bets (5)
CLF21 calls (5)
mwpainting29 calls (5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qh ]
mwpainting29 checks.
Talking Poker bets (10)
CLF21 calls (10)
mwpainting29 calls (10)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qs ]
mwpainting29 checks.
Talking Poker bets (10)
CLF21 raises (20) to 20
mwpainting29 folds.
Talking Poker: are you serious?
Talking Poker calls (10)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $118.5 | Rake: $3 | Jackpot Contribution: $0.5
Board: [ Td 7c 5c Qh Qs ]
db2sw balance $250, lost $5 (folded)
mwpainting29 balance $121, lost $25 (folded)
Talking Poker balance $185, lost $45 [ Ah Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and queens -- Ah,Ac,Qh,Qs,Td ]
gogators balance $130.5, didn't bet (folded)
lawngeese6 balance $359.33, didn't bet (folded)
Nautilus60 balance $442, didn't bet (folded)
mondavi15 balance $145.08, didn't bet (folded)
CLF21 balance $277.34, bet $45, collected $118.5, net +$73.5 [ Qd As ] [ three of a kind, queens -- As,Qd,Qh,Qs,Td ]
MCMXLV balance $242, didn't bet (folded)
BigSmooth13 balance $228, lost $2 (folded)

[PShabi]

Welcome to Party!!!!!!

That's tough.

I love your question on the river! I do that all the time. More like this though, "you're kidding?" Same thing

[Talking Poker]

Yeah.. the least I can do is throw an insult out there befroe I call.

My favorite is when the board pairs up and I say something like "Tell me you just called me down with 3rd pair" or something like that.

Then, when it turns out there were bluffing because they missed their draw, or they are just an idiot and thought there hand was good (I'm guessing 40% of the time I still win here), I can follow that up with a: "Wow. Thanks. I thought for sure you must have SOMETHING there. Silly me."

Many players ignore this completely, but some go crazy and really start throwing the chips around.

[johnbaker]

a guy did this to me with A7 vs my AA the other night in a 1/2 NL home game for 120 bux... put me on tilt for 3 days

[Zybomb]

Definately a bad beat because of the odds you were after the flop... but thinking about the way this guy played it, it may not be as bad as it appears considering he didnt know that you held AA. First of all, this is why I HATE limit poker, because you are outdrawn so often and people can afford to stick around to do so. Thats why I always play tournament NL, or 1/2 NL cash tables (with a max buy in of course), to eliminate this from happening.

But being it was a limit game heres jus my thoughts

The guy called a raise with AQ...nothing wrong there

He had to figure you were going to bet the flop regardless and when it appeared for the most part rags, and the other opponent in the hand before you checked, he may of called thinking he either had the best hand, or if you were ahead with something like a small PP, that his call may slow you down and he may be able to take the pot down on the turn.

The turn hits and you fire again, so he has to wonder if you are just sustaining your aggression or you have something legit....he has just hit top pair with top kicker though, so he calls

The river hits and its a money card for him....trip Qs with top kicker.

Considering what you held and what he held, wow thats awful! But as far as his play goes, its not great by any means, but it may not be as awful as it first appears to be.

Lemme know what you think

[Talking Poker]

I never said his play was THAT terrible, just that it was a bad beat.

But, for the record, if he was going to stick around with his overcards, I'd rather see him raise with them on the flop. That way, he'll get the guy behind him off his hand and he'll get me to check to him on the turn (or so he would think), getting himself a free card and another chance to catch one of his overs.

[Kurn]

The way I look at it (here we go again), he made 2 mistakes. Preflop, he should have folded, and on the turn, he should have raised.

[Zybomb]

I agree with you. The only thing that may have gone through his head was he planned on calling the flop to see if you'd check the turn and give him control of the hand, if he didnt hit on the turn and you bet again hed be forced to either fold if you bet again, or raise to see if you were buying the pot.....but still a ridiculous beat.....oh yea, Kurn you really have somethin against AQ dont ya? lol

[Talking Poker]

If he wanted control of the hand, he should have raised me on the flop (where it's cheaper than raising on the turn). That's my point.

[BrianSwa]

I agree with this....as bad as I'am I would also raise on the flop to take control of the hand and get the free card on the river.

[Zybomb]

Not disagreeing with you, just thinking what may have been going thru his head....also remember a call can sometimes be more effective than a raise....raises sometimes look funny, and are prone to reraises if they pick up a feeling of weakness (ex Jensen vs Greenstein WPT where Jensen reraised all in with bottom pair after being raised on his flop bet). A call (especially a quick call) may get the bettor to think his opponent may be slowplaying a big hand, and slow down...or if hes on a bluff will force a check allowing him to pick the pot up on the turn.....

I do agree with you though, I personally would of raised or folded, but I can see a case for the other way around also although I dont think itd be the smart move to make.......regardless we're getting away from the point which is you were over 92% preflop and over 97% after the flop and got outdrawn, by someone calling with overs of the flop.......Bad Beat..........

[Talking Poker]

Exactly. Three cards in the deck can improve his hand. After the flop, he needs to find 2 of them. That's a pretty bad beat.