Prop betting at B&M

[Defendant]

So the last couple visits to the local B&M made me realize something...

If you take someones money, they are willing to do a lot to get it back. The following happened a few days ago:

1-2 NL table, 100$ buyin. After about 3 hours I had singlehandedly broken one player in a few hands and decide to leave. I announce to the table that im out, just enough daylight to get 18 holes of golf in. The guy jumps up and asks me if I have an extra set of clubs, hed like to win his money back. I didnt, but offered him he could use mine, and of course, being a scratch golfer, the guy didnt stand a chance (really, unless youre making a living off of playing golf, I know I can beat you consistently). He ended up losing 100$ to me at the poker table, then another 140$ playing 10$ a hole. Ever since then, I realized if I drop the right hints to the right people I could pick up a nice extra income to the poker by getting people to bet me for golf.

Problem I see is this though:

A) How do I entice people to give me action on the course?

B) How long until I will completely stop getting action from these people? Should I play below my abilities to continue getting this kind of action?

C) What are the chances I run into someone who can consistently shoot under par golf and cleans me out on these bets?

D) Should I worry about the ethics of this kind of bet (knowing Im very VERY likely to make money off any match)

[Zybomb]

"Some view his mechanics as immoral, but as (Im drawing a blank here) said "it's immoral to let a sucker keep his money"

[Windbreaker]

This is one of the funniest things I've read in a while. Although I'm sure it's not that hard to scam a few bucks off guys and get a free round of golf from them....I don't htink it's something you should be doing long term. You're going to eventually see the same guys again on the poker table and people may think you're hustling them.

Just treat poker and golf as entertainment and let those guys go nuts =P

[Defendant]

Yeah ... the casino i go to has a rather small poker room (12ish tables), so you see a lot of the same faces there a lot. The idea just came from the fact that, while I have an edge in poker (or so I would like to believe), my edge in golf would be a LOT bigger, and more tangible. I just dont have the time to hit 5,000+ balls a day to actually turn pro, not to mention the kind of money it takes to get and stay on tour (seriously...its RIDICULOUSLY expensive, Ive seen many a talented golfer have to quit because its just far too expensive unless you start winning immediately once you get on tour, which is quite unlikely)

[ChipFish]

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[GeoffM]

If you think you might be seeing these people again, then don't win 16 out of 18 holes, but win somewhere around 12-13 holes, make him win a few so he thinks he may have a chance. This will keep the hook on him.

If you don't think you'll ever see these people again, clean him out.

[Talking Poker]

Cool story, cool thread.

Other than the betting part of it, how was the round? Was the guy cool, or was it like spending 4 hours golfing with an online poker enemy? I can't think that would be too much fun.

I don't have much hustling advice, but I don't see any problem at all with getting some over-confident guy onto a golf course and letting him give you his money. What you need to do though, IMO, is forget this small time stuff and go for the big hits. Try to find someone willing to play $100 a hole. Or $500 a hole. Be careful choosing your mark, of course.... but if you are a scratch golfer, you should be fine.

Now... on to something much more important. I have a "prop" for you. You say you are a scratch golfer. I promise you that I am not - not even close. In fact, I don't think I have played a round in more than a year now (it's cloe though - I played last summer). So, given all that, I'm willing to make you a friendly wager. Give me 50 strokes (yes, 50), and I'll take you on using only a putter. I know, I know... 50 strokes sounds like a lot. That's about 3 per hole. Did I mention I will only be using a putter?

Whadday say?

[Aequitas58]

LOL. Defendant replies... How much you wanna bet, Mr. WSOP? This oddly reminds me of Tin Cup.

Anyone wanna play some Chess for money?

[Talking Poker]

I'll bet any reasonable, yet still friendly amount.


Fine print:

1. If you allow me to bring 2 putters (one for putting - one for everything else), I will agree to not practice even a single put-drive until game day. Also, if I break a putter, I'd like to be able to replace it with another.

2. We need to mutually agree on the course. I can't risk ending up on some crazy water course with island greens, etc. Even if there is just one sick island green type of hole, it would be sporting of you to give me a max stroke limit.... say 12 or something like that. I'd hate to play 17 great holes and then shoot a 35 on some stupid island green.

P.S. Tin Cup used a 7 iron. Pussy.

[Defendant]

Haha...well, it would be fun wouldnt it :P The problem would be meeting up, Florida and Arkansas are a little ways apart.

Can we choose a course with lots of island greens?

Anyways, how about this one (I wont lie to ya, its my home course, but its an easy enough course)



As far as the round goes, it was pleasant enough, a little tense cause the guy started getting frustrated, but nothing too bad.

Defendant

[2Tone]

Something tells me this is not the first time TP has made this particular offer. But how far can you drive with a putter? If this comes to pass, I'd be up for some side action.

[PShabi]

I have no business here but this is my favorite thread ever!

Chip, your reply was fucking brilliant, yet succinct.

TP, that first post is probably your best ever outside of the WSOP shit. LMAO!!!!!

I'm printing this thread and putting it up in my office.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

Yeah, this would be good once or twice, but the last thing you probably want to do is get someone thinking you "might" be hustling them.....and THEN lend them a golf club in an remote field....

[Defendant]

Actually, putter drives arent too shabby. The part thats REALLY tough is approach shots, no way to get a high trajectory, spinning shot.

[Talking Poker]

I'd be quite happy to make a bet on this too (I love betting on stupid shit, in case you couldn't tell). How far do you think I can drive a ball with a putter? How about if I bet you that I can drive at least 8 out of 10 balls farther than 100 yards?

As for me running this hustle - er..... I mean.... "taking part in this challenge" in the past: No comment

[Talking Poker]

Yes, I imagine that would be tricky. Then again, if you play golf at my level, you're not so much worried about "spinning shots" anyway. So, are we on? What are the stakes? I wonder if there is a way we could play on 2 mutually agreed upon courses, with some sort of forum witness joining each of us. Hell, I'd trust your word on your score (it's going to be +/-5 of scratch). It's my unpredictable round we'd need to have witnessed...

[Defendant]

That actually sounds like a plan. As far as wager goes, I wouldnt go over $100 just cause my gambling bankroll isnt overly huge (unlike Mr WSOP here hehe). Not sure if youd consider this worth your time, but my suggestion would be $50, counter suggestions welcome.

As far as courses go, basically, this area has a TON of courses, from real easy to brutally hard. Basically, Id say you suggest one and give me the specifications (yardage, slope rating, course handicap), and I can find one to match it (hardest course in the area is slope 131, so dont go much tougher than that).
As far as your course goes, well, the slope/course ratings might not mean so much as how many times do you have to hit over water, how high is greenside rough, amount of greenside bunkers, elevated greens or not etc, because your shots SHOULD be reasonably straight (no grooves on a putter, so less side spin on a bad swing), so little trouble on the right/left

Not sure about a forum member in the area, but I can definitely have someone witness my round and sign off on the scorecard if youd trust that.


Oh by the way..by "putter" were talking 6 degrees loft or less, correct? :P My GUESS is youre planning on using a belly putter to drive with but what do I know hehe.

Defendant

[PShabi]

If this goes down, there's a chance I could be the witness for Mr. World Series.

[Talking Poker]

It's not about the money. It's about the beauty of the bet. I've made hundreds if not thousands of $1 bets in my lifetime. It's nto about the money. It's about seeing if that guy really will lick that dead rat or drink that entire jar of salsa (answers: no, yes).

So, $50 is fine. I'd say we could go lower, but I'd like to at least have my round payed for

I'm fine with you using whatever witness you like. I'll trust you. It's not like you're going to be turning in some 65 round or something (I hope), so it shouldn't matter anyway. I think I can break 120, which is why I came up with the 50 stroke thing.

Oh, and I'm talking standard putters here - not even those really tall ones or one of the ones with a huge head. I will happily take photos for you if you like. I have my putting putter already, but I'll go spend $10 on some cheapo one for my driving. I fully expect it to break, hence me wanting to be able to use 2 (or 3 if necessary).

I'd love for pshabi to come up for a round. If he can't make it though, I obviously can provide my own witness. You'd have to trust me/us though. I'm an honest guy and I don't cheat.

As for the course, I'll look around and see what I can find. There is a nice little Executive course not too far from here that I've always wanted to play. hehe... Yeah, I didn't think so.

This course is my favorite around here:


There are a couple of holes that would be problematic for me though, but I'll deal with it. A cheaper alternative might be to go with one of the municipal courses. I've played here once:

Never played here:

[Penguinfan]

Canada Bill Jones if memory serves.

As far as hustling someone goes all I can tell you is I have played with/for some of the best pool players this area has to offer (which is not Vegas standard by any stretch) and the key to continue getting a players money is to never give him any clue he is being hustled. He has to leave thinking he just got unlucky or one shot would have changed things. I have heard guys paying out big bets to friends/partners of mine while saying something on the lines of "If I had made that 7 ball you would be paying me".

Thats the beautiful part, they think one shot cost them the race when in reality they never had a shot, none, period.

I was at CJ Wileys bar in Dallas a few years back (several actually) and saw the worst/best hustle ever. This guy was playing horribly hoping to get action from another guy, I mean he was bouncing balls off the table in an obvious display if incompetence to get action. Well, the guy he thought he was hustling agreed to play with him and the original guy just played his absolute solid best game he could play and worked the guy over and took his cash. What was really going on was the second guy just used that as set of games to size up his competition.
When he offered to play the guy again for 10 times the original bet the first guy though he found the sucker of all suckers when in reality it was him who was the sucker.

I know thats not what you asked about, but think about it before you get in too deep in a game you think your a lock, "The balls roll funny for everyone now and then"

[Talking Poker]

All this pool and husting talk is making me want to go watch The Color of Money.

[Penguinfan]

LOL, I own three movies, two of them have been referenced in this thread. Now someone throw in an Oceans 11 reference and you will have my entire library.

[Aequitas58]

TP, if and when we meet up, we can play some pool.



This offer is open to anyone I meet on this forum.

[Defendant]

would be an interesting match for baytree, if YOU play from gold or black.

If you choose to play from the blues at baytree, well need to shave 3 strokes off the 50, or I play at The Creeks, link above.

Note that Prairie Creek is the toughest public course in the state though, so I fully expect to shoot in the high 70s. Advantage to you Id say

Defendant

[Penguinfan]

Considering where you live and as often as I get to Atlantic City I would say we can make this happen.

Bring your "A" game though, you'll need it, I won't dissapoint you.