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05-03-06, 05:28 PM
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The annoying part about this is, if the freaking U.S. would just LEGALIZE and REGULATE online gambling, everyone would be happy - including the poker sites!!!
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05-03-06, 05:31 PM
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05-03-06, 05:53 PM
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This is great... TP accuses me of being in a "little holier than thou mood today" yet I think he forgets how our little exchange had started:
As to whether poker was a game of chance, I believe I said this: Poker is a game of chance, IMO. TP replied with this gem: Yes, I realize that losing players believe this. And this is exactly why you won't be my lawyer for this case. There is chance involved, obviously (like most games), but it's a clearly game of skill. Some people are better at it than others. And it's not because they are luckier. Essentially, you called me a losing player, and then brought in the whole "legal" thing. Not that I take it personally, but you don't expect me to reply with SOMETHING? LOL. Put down the John Grisham novel. As far as the superior intellect comment, you really are a smart guy. 
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05-03-06, 11:34 PM
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Hugs aren't needed. This isn't our first exchange, and it won't be our last. We're kind of used to each other by now ... I've been with this schlep-rock from the beginning.
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05-03-06, 11:44 PM
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jesus guys, i go away for 1 day, i get -repped for "fucking with the USA", TP and AEQ are probabaly fighting "matrix" style in the land of the superior intellect, and the rest of us are hugging.
I dont care if this is over, heres my input. 1 - the basic reason for this is money. the government wants it. they WILL find a way to get it. Just look at Oil, you guys killed about 1 trillion people per barell by now ( no offence of course, i mean the government) 2 - poker is a game of chance or a game of skill depending on how you play the game. ( hear me out now ). If you go all in every hand, there is no skill involved, its all luck and odds, you cant control this. As there is nothing to stop this, i can see where people are going by considering it 100% luck. HOWEVER, some people would call poker 99% skill. if you play 1 million hands, the variance will be tiny on the low % suck outs. If you play the game and know the game, you can win consistently. WHat i like ot do is go between these points, and find ytour average player. Lets take RobbieRobb for exemple ( just for fun). Robbie sits down at a 1/2 no limit table and wins $200. he won this by being a "luckbox", which isnt hard to believe  Then he goes to another table and loses this $200 by going all in with AA and losing to 7 2 off suit. this is where its luck. I see that clearly. Now i also agree with TP, TP is a winning player, he knows the game, as we all know, he lves the game, he wins a shitload when hes playing well. He can work out pot odds, and implied odds, and his % to hit his draw, and everything else he needs to mkae correct decisions.3 - I live in the UK. We, and our little outlying islands, host about 90% of worldwide online poker. Why is this? Because online companies can set up in the Isle of Man, or Gibraltar, and payy a very small price for the money they make. The government allows them to do this, gets paid a small amount, but still big compared to what i earn. Because of this more new companies that are growing turn up. If the US legalized poker, called it a game of "luck and skill", an "ecclectic mix of passion and denial" or something, and charged a small amount per casino or poker room, everyone is laughing. I can move to the USA< set up www.eejit101'spokerrrom.com or something, pay them 10% of my rake, and be legal. If they did this, they make money, and noone has to emigrate to the Isle of Man, as lets face it, that island is SHIT. 4 - To be honest i care alot about this bill. If americans cant play for fear of being hung for treason by Thomas Jeofferson for treason or something, then the majority of online poker players have gone. And by a mojority its HUGE. because of this amount, a vast load of fish have gone. The game will cease to be as profitable, and will then turn completely around. This cannot happen. Summary - get every major poker site going together, make a plan. go to the government, show them the plan. get them to like the plan. i dont really know if this is possible, and im probably going to get slated for the idea, but if the worlds online sites got together, to protect their and our businesses, instead of everyone slanging at the government from all sides, things would be done nicely, and hopfully quickly, thats EXACTLY what happened over here. We got things sorted. I dont even have to pay tax on my poker winnings, as long as i work 12 hours a week or something. Let me tell you now, 22% of $5,000 is a shit load of money to pay out, and thats just a minimum figure. Thats the summary of the game if you play it like its your lifes work. The same players win every week because they can gather information, and use it, and decieve other players by giving out false information. How does Phil Ivey and The Grinder win so often? If its luck not skill, not possible. There is a balance of the game somewhere, but because of the varience in players abilities, noone can completely judge the game for what it is. TP is right, AEQ is right. Thats the whole problem. Noone can justify which one is right. This arguament with the government will go nowhere, because simply put, they are too greedy. Last edited by eejit101; 05-03-06 at 11:51 PM. |
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05-03-06, 11:57 PM
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That's just not right.
If Aeq's face is EVER thay close to mine, we had better both be lying dead in a ditch somewhere. Damn Thai hookers. You just can't trust em! |
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05-04-06, 12:00 AM
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Yup. You guys don't even know how he earned that title of his, do you? It's probably hard to believe, as today's Aeq is much kinder and gentler than the Aeq I remember circa 2004... but anyway, yeah, this is not our first nor will it be our last "exchange."
Despite the disagreements, sarcastic comments, and downright dirty jabs at one another, I assure you there is nothing but respect between us. Well, at least on this end. Who knows what the Resident Asshole is thinking? Then again, who gives a shit? 
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05-04-06, 12:02 AM
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At least we agree on one thing in this thread.
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05-04-06, 12:35 AM
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eejit101 - that is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read on this forum.
Now pardon me while I got pay $3.15/gallon to fill up my tank, one of the benefits of all that oil we are taking as war prizes. BTW - i saw a couple of her majesty's finest kicking around in the sandbox as well.
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05-04-06, 01:03 AM
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Fixed your post. ^
Even Chuck Norris couldn't understand Eejit's post.
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05-04-06, 01:20 AM
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wow, $3.15 a barrel. Jesus man, what a fucking rip off.
We pay over here currently £0.91 pre LITRE. thats $1.70 per litre. 1 gallon = 4.5 litres. SO $1.70 x 4.5 = $7.65 per gallon. probably a bit more, closer to $8. Our government rips the shit out of us if we wantto drive anywhere, but if we want to blow $100k playing poker its all good with them. And i dont think my post was that bad. But hey, who cares right |
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05-04-06, 01:26 AM
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I agree with Bunny's statement about the money. The government isn't getting a slice of the pie and can't do shit about it because the sites are in different countries. They could regulate it and tax it to make it legal, but the quick fix is to make it illegal to stop it now, then regulate it later when the court cases start piling up. Same thing about complete and utter failure of the government's "war on drugs". Marijuana being illegal while alcohol is legal is fucking ridiculous. Where's the "war on alcohol"? Alcohol is definitely more fatal than weed smokin. But there's no money to be made in a war on alcohol because too many people want to drink it so people would be doing it anyway. Which is true about weed too, but not as many people smoke weed (one of the reasons is because it's illegal which is asinine) so I think the government makes more money taxing all americans for the "war on drugs" which includes marijuana, rather than legalizing it and only taxing the people who want to smoke it, which is only fair in my opinion.
Last thing, why isn't online stock purchasing and trading illegal if online poker is? Investing in stocks involves chance does it not? You are buying, or wagering, x amount of dollars per stock in hopes that the stock goes up and you turn a profit. There's no guarantee a stock is going to go up or down, it's chance. The difference is the government makes money from that, and not online poker. American government is lame. Oh yeah, and money is the root of all evil.
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05-04-06, 01:26 AM
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Man, I thought for sure you'd agree with the "lying dead in a ditch thing," what with you being so homophobic and all.
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05-04-06, 03:18 AM
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05-04-06, 03:36 AM
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You sure? Not even this little guy?
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05-04-06, 03:58 AM
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Nope.
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05-04-06, 10:24 AM
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This thread is messy, not even Jesus could make this save. (Although in his prime, a coked up Grant Fuhr probably could have). I ain’t Jesus or coked up, but I will try.
First, it is ok kids, mom and dad can fight and still love each other. I think the bottom line is that we should all put pressure on our government to legalize and regulate online gambling. It might have to wait until we get rid of the guy who believes that he has conversations with God. (no shit, he has stated this on several occasions. Everywhere else we call that person crazy, in DC we call him Mr. President.) Second, if anyone puts any more pictures up, they better be of Thai hookers, Chuck Norris, or Chuck Norris with some Thai hookers. Third, we are not going to turn this into a discussion of energy policy. This is not the place to have that discussion. EE, the fundamental reason why you pay more for gas is because you lost the Revolutionary War, deal with it. Fourth, back to the start. I still like 2Tone’s idea of falling on this sword of justice and getting the sites to pay for his defense. He could be represented by the unholy alliance of the poker sites and the ACLU. edit-for spelling Last edited by melioris; 05-04-06 at 10:31 AM. |
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05-06-06, 02:19 PM
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pshabi and Lou both have "a clue" about the game... yet they were both very clear that they believe chance to be the predominating factor in the outcome, and not skill.
BTW, I read an excellent article about all of this on the plane on the way out there. It even included a section that supported my "game of skill" logic. I'll link it up wen I get home and have time to find it online, unless anyone feels like digging for it now. I believe it was written by Allyn Jaffrey Shulman. |
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