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I said I wasnt positve mayhem and I was assuming and yes since I was here when he started on talking poker and that is when most/all of us were introduced to him Id say thats a long time.
if thats not a good portion of his bankroll then I stand corrected, I dont dig that much into JD's life I was just going by incomplete information Mayhem.
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11-10-07, 03:24 AM
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well this seems like its heading in direction that is not good for thread so I will stop it here. Thanks for input Phil.
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11-10-07, 03:37 AM
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No shit. Brian even sucks at quitting.
Seriously, am I the only one cringing reading bankroll management advice from Brian??? Ugh. And I know, I know - you're not "back." You're just posting in that one thread and then that one section and then in this other section and then in that one there too and then ok, everywhere except for eejit drama threads, but YOU ARE NOT BACK! Whatever, dude. Worst... quitter... EVER! As for the JD situation, I don't think JD lost 90% of his roll. I suspect he COULD redeposit if he wanted to, but I also don't think he wants to do that (nor do I think he should, since he obviously still has serious discipline issues). And to those trying to say they are just chips, yeah, that's true to some extent, but that's also a really stupid way to look at poker. You MUST factor in bankroll management when deciding how many of those chips to put on the table in the fiurst place. Extreme example: Would it be a good idea to remortgage your house, max out all your credit cards, borrow money from everyone you know, get a loan at the bank, sell all your possessions and then put that total sum of money on the table in a very high stakes game where you have 1-200 BBs? Should you then just consider those chips, and not money? Um, no.... that's retarded. Now I'd like to end this post with a quote I read somewhere once... if only I could remember where: "Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret." |
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11-10-07, 03:38 AM
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 Wait. Did I miss 10% of his posts?
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11-10-07, 03:56 AM
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lol, yeah, I agree... You shouldn't think of the money you play with as just money. I mean, if you have problem betting X Dollars on a hand, then you shouldn't be playing that limit.
Most people want to think of it as chips instead of money is because they are unable to ignore the value of money and play their best. It's probably best if we just accept the fact that money is whatever it is and continue to play our optimum strategy. <--- its obviously quite difficult, but if ur able to do it, it'd be pretty impressing, and ur pretty much going to be a good solid player. So, I like JD's approach to poker, although he probably shouldn't have done that 300/600 thing. But more importantly ... JD obviously doesn't have only 115k, so... I dunno why Brian would assume that JD lost 90% of his bankroll. (Considering JD has been fetch 100k+ for a couple of months. During the Summer etc.)
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11-10-07, 06:30 PM
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So really we agree with me for a change. Im remembering this moment.
I am in a way thinking that JD wanted some advice from peoeple as to why he isnt on life tilt, as if he isnt (and im shocked at that) then he knows we are the type of people to point out why. |
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11-10-07, 08:33 PM
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I don't know exactly how to explain it, but I really don't think this is as big of a deal as some of think it is. I wasn't tilting, I wasn't playing poorly, I took a big risk and it really went as bad as it possibly could have. Obviously I got really unlucky to get colddecked like that there, but it's poker. I knew there was a chance of playing well and still losing an incredible amount of money to me, and unfortunately that is exactly what happened.
The part about losing 100k and it not affecting my life is true. I'm proud of the fact that poker affects my life a very small amount, if I'm not sitting at the computer playing, I'm not thinking about poker at all. It's not a brag like Brian suggested and it's also not me being a moron like eejit said. People just look at money differently. I think if I looked at it like losing a house like eejit does then there is seriously no way in hell I would have won nearly as much $ as I have anyway. It's both good and bad, but as soon as I sit at the table they really are just chips. I lost 100k, maybe I'll grind back from 15k, maybe I'll just quit poker for awhile and concentrate more on school. I never will re-deposit. I regret taking the shot b/c I was looking for fast money and playing for the wrong reasons, but at the same time I don't know a single 25/50+ player who hasn't done similiar things as this, alot of times worse. Maybe it's almost necessary to have this kind of gamble and disregard for money to play at those levels.
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11-10-07, 08:58 PM
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I was totally with you until here:
The disregard for money is fine (and probably necessary - I agree)... it's the lack of bankroll management skills that I have a problem with. I don't mind you losing $100k - you took a shot, played fine, and were unfortunate. It happens. What bothers me is that you thought it would be ok to put 90% of your effective bankroll (since you will never redeposit) on the table. That's stupid. So now here you are with 15k. Assuming you don't want to bust and be done with poker forever (how horrible would that be for a guy like you who could easily make a living playing poker???), you shouldn't even be playing 5/10 NL any more, let alone taking shots at 25/50 and 50/100 when donks are donating. Now you're stuck back at the low stakes, grinding out 2/4 again. Like you said, you were looking for fast money (why - I do not know - but you may want to give that some thought) and made what IMO amounts to a huge error in judgement. Hopefully you won't do it again and go sit with your remaining roll at 10/20, because if you do, there is a very good chance you'll go SWAbusto and then (according to you never redepositing again) you'll be done with poker forever. Hello, day job. Ouch. |
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11-10-07, 09:21 PM
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This thread sucks:
1) Let's quit using "life tilt" like it's some clinical term. WTF is "life tilt" anyway? It's an old (very old) joke. You guys "sound" retarded. 2) Eejit and Brian, the forum would be a better place if you guys stopped sharing your "opinions" and "advice" so much. Especially in this thread. Just stop. Thank you.
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11-11-07, 01:19 AM
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he said when he sat with 100k it felt like "chips".
He cant think like that, for the following reasons.... 1. JD has no job. 2. JD is in college, and is not top of every class. 3. JD has 115k online and "wont deposit anymore" 4. $100k is $100k, to anyone thats a shit load of money. 5. He isnt bankrolled for it. 6. When losing it, it hasnt affected his plans or life at all??? 7. If JD wants a huge headstart in life in general, to get whatever house/car/job he wants, and to maybe play poker as a job, i dont know, he cant afford to lose this amount of cash in a daft attempt to "hit a quick score" 8. More to the point, and the best point is - thats 85% of his bankroll..... JD has what... 800k proifit from poker? THats now 700k. If he takes mroe shots at 300/600 its gonna be much much less. All im sayiong is play sensibly, and he has the BEST lifestyle possible for a kid his age?? Im advising him that if losing 100k means nothing, then dont play, as spending 100k on something meaningful that will assist his life is a damn good plan, not blowing it becuase he is bad at ignoring the feelings to take big shots. |
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11-11-07, 01:56 AM
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I don't see the point of you guys getting pissed over this. JD choose to gamble this high. He lost. Life goes on. If he doesn't take crazy shots like this, he would have never have been in the position to lose 100k in a day. If it was me, I would probably be satisfied with "grinding" the 10/20 or 25/50 NL tables, but that's probably the reason why I'm still a low stakes player.
Who cares if 100k is 5% of his bankroll or 100% of his bankroll. It is his money to lose. He is still healthy and with his ability, he can eventually get it back if focuses and has patience. Is it stupid to gamble so high? Probably, but it's not losing 100k that matters now, it's what he's going to about it in the future. |
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11-11-07, 02:36 PM
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ur "best point"- that its 85% of my BR, is completely wrong.
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I really don't see why this thread is still going...
He lost a bit of money...realized it was probably stupid to go to 300/600, got a bit drunk later, and now is JD > God.
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Oh ok. Though I don't plan on re-depositing at all and I highly doubt I will, I do usually count all the liquid $ I have as my bankroll whether it be on Full Tilt or not. It's there and if I ever really wanted it I could have it, I just have always been one to not deposit, when I cash out I really want it to be the last time I ever use that $ for poker.
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