Absolute Poker is rigged... no seriously - Page 2

de-coder · #26 09-18-07, 08:38 AM

I noticed late last night on fcp that people were watching this guy (or one of his alleged aliases) "dump chips" off to other people - also allegedly his accounts or his friends.

Could be that he just doesn't know what he's doing and was on the run of his life. Could also be it's all true and this guy was dumping his profit off to other accounts - although I would think that if it were true the account would have been frozen and the funds revoked.

melioris · #27 09-18-07, 08:56 AM

fuck the site being rigged, if they can't write a company email using proper grammar and spelling words correctly they ain't getting my business.

sjay2k · #28 09-18-07, 10:22 AM

clearly rigged

Reel Deal · #29 09-18-07, 10:38 AM

Welp, that's good enough for me.

Wow, just wow.

de-coder · #30 09-18-07, 10:52 AM

Jose's first language is clearly not english - I suspect it's french. I'm used to dealing with french firsters so it didn't bother me.

melioris · #31 09-18-07, 12:08 PM

Just to be clear, I am not being jingoistic here. Often in my work I have to communicate to folks in languages other than english and you can bet your ass when I do I get a native speaker to review the entire correspondence to confirm all my spelling and grammar, as well as to make sure that I am not missing something in the phrasing or translation. Sometimes we have to pay for this service out of pocket, but it is always worth it. It comes down to valuing your work and the work of others, also known as professionalism.

When a business doesn't value professionalism I think they are revealing a corrupt core.

Windbreaker · #32 10-13-07, 01:56 PM

Absolute Support Responds:

Cliff notes - Investigated, Superaccounts do not exist, Please resume your game.

Wes · #33 10-16-07, 09:53 PM

New interesting details and theories here.

's theory on how all this went down. Pretty awesome reading here.

with cliff notes on what has happened so far.

2Tone · #34 10-16-07, 10:25 PM

For other forum post of the year. I don't know if it is true or not, but it is extremely compelling.

MAYHEM45 · #35 10-16-07, 10:41 PM

This is so awesome. F5 F5 F5 F5

Wes · #36 10-16-07, 10:57 PM

I'll probably misapply some tidbits, but here is the jist of the recent commotion.

Scott Tom, cofounder of Absolute Poker has had his e-mail address/IP address linked back to him from account #363. This account was seen observing POTRIPPER, the account that somehow made these awesome maniac reads that lead him to victory in the 1k absolute tourney that runs weekly i believe. What is interesting about this is that when account #363 was not observing POTRIPPER, POTRIPPER folded both of the two hands he was not observing. An interesting tidbit considering this guy was literally playing every hand.

As to how people got this information on who was observing, the 2nd place finisher in this tournament thought something was up and asked for the entire hand history for that tournament. What was sent to him was an excel file of every hand in the tournament, along with the ip addresses/email addresss of every player and observer that was at every table. People have done some investigative work over at 2+2 and have found the above information.

Now, why would Scott Tom, cofounder of Absolute Poker, suddenly be cheating people out of money when he sold his company for more than a hundred million dollars? Well, here is the latest theory by :

Talking Poker · #37 10-17-07, 12:13 AM

This is really amazing stuff. That Dan Druff timeline is brilliant. Don't you just love good investigative reporting???

What I find most interesting about this theory (which certainly seems plausible) is that this guy COULD have gotten away with it. He could have created a new account, and SLOWLY (relatively speaking) worked his way up through the ranks. He could have mixed winning and losing sessions, made some bad calls here and there, and never even aroused suspicion. He could have turned himself into an online poker God......... but greed takes over, and people just cna't control themselves.

Then again, maybe he figured he'd be caught sooner or later (or lose his access to account #363), so he decided to try to make as quick of a hit and run as possible.

Either way, this whole #363 thing makes it seem almost certain that something fishy was going on, and shame on Absolute for covering it up (this is givign them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they weren't already aware of this - but they certainly had the means to figure out what was going on when the data was handed to them on a silver platter).

melioris · #38 10-17-07, 09:37 AM

ok, so lets assume you have access to 363 and believe you will for the forseeable future. How do it do it? What levels would you play, what style would you play?

Your first paragraph suggests that the greed might get to you as well. Becoming an online poker God would be the worst thing imaginable, IMO. At what level can you win and expect to get away with it based on the style you are playing?

I think I would start at $400NL HU and work my way up to $1000NL HU and expect to get away with it.
At first thought, NLHU games offer the best opportunity to disguise your cheating and avoid suspicion while maxamizing return. The problem I see with NLHU is that folks might be likely to call down really light at times, so your ability to push folks off of better (albeit crappy hands nonetheless) might be easy to overestimate. But I guess those cases don't really hurt you anyway in the long run. To me the key would be to maxamize my hourly rate while staying relatively anonymous.

I don't really know any of this but I suspect that playing a weird style but perfect on teh river would fly beneath the radar up to $1000NL HU, but above that the players and fanboys might notice.

Talking Poker · #39 10-17-07, 11:13 AM

Well, *I* wouldn't do it.

But if he wanted to fly under the radar, he should have played "normally" - with whatever style he uses - and basically only looked at his opponent's hole cards when he came into tough spots. It would be tough to not look constantly, but that's really the way to do it.... just when you need to decide if you should make that big, marginal call, or if you can push a weak hand and get your opponent to fold because he has air.

And yeah, HU would be the games to focus on. Doing this in a tourney was retarded.

Kurn · #40 10-17-07, 11:52 AM

Sort of reminds me of about 10+ years back when a couple of computer guys at a dog track wrote a program to identify all superfecta combos not played and print a ticket from an unused mutuel machine that was time-stamped before the race ran. I'm missing some details, but they got away with it for quite a while until one of their wives or GFs bragged about it.

Just goes to show that the old adage is correct - 3 people can keep a secret as long as 2 of them are dead.

2Tone · #41 10-18-07, 12:07 PM

NYT coverage

This is an quality blog, BTW. It's from the guys who wrote Freakonomics, an interesting book/look at the stats, society, and trends.

Talking Poker · #42 10-18-07, 12:59 PM

Cool book. It's sitting behind me on my desk as I type this.

Those guys are into poker, so I'm not surprised they picked up on this story. Last I heard, they were putting together some huge pokernomics project. I think I posted about it here a while ago. Yeah, here it is:

AKQJ10 · #43 10-18-07, 01:12 PM

I just want to say I was in this tournament, and actually at the alleged cheater's table.

'POTRIPPER' probably played over 60% of the hands, and of the 60% he played, probably won around 80%. About 30 minutes into the game, there was actually rumbling at the table that he was cheating. On Pocketfives, there was a post showing his hands and the hands of us at the table, and strangely, whenever he had cards that didn't match the limpers, he'd always play. He would always sniff out a bluff and the only time POTRIPPER lost a large pot was when he was ahead on the turn, got all in and lost on the river.

There is no doubt this guy could see the cards.

I hope they close AP, confiscate his funds and return my buy in for this tournament and any other time I played with him or any of the other alleged cheaters.

MAYHEM45 · #44 10-18-07, 05:42 PM

post your HH or it didnt happen. Just sayin.

Quint · #45 10-19-07, 11:25 AM

Article in .

Fildy · #46 10-19-07, 12:43 PM

This is interesting, The HH Spreadsheet has been interpreted and put into a pfx hand viewer and put on youtube. ENJOY!

BlibbityBlabbity · #47 10-19-07, 01:34 PM

lol @ bolded above

Windbreaker · #48 10-19-07, 01:43 PM

Absolute admits games were compromised.

Talking Poker · #49 10-19-07, 03:36 PM

I like how this TP thread links to 2+2 which links to P5s which links to their own statement. To save all the clicks for everyone else, here it is:

Well done, internet poker investigators!

Talking Poker · #50 10-19-07, 03:43 PM

Nice find. Thanks.

Talk about damning evidence. You'd think they wouldn't be quite so obvious... you know, maybe not playing EVERY SINGLE HAND perfectly.

I'll be very interested to see how this all shakes out... In theory, we will know exactly who was behind this eventually. I wonder what sorts of charges they will end up facing, if anything.